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Oct 19 2017, 09:40 AM
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QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Oct 19 2017, 10:20 AM) So far, no one has factored in what Mark Carney Governor of the Bank of England said a few weeks back; technology will be taking over vast numbers of low level jobs very quickly now. He's concerned that the number of jobs avaliable will be hugely reduced and as a consequence unemployment will again become the main issue. We shouldn't worry about immigrants; they'll be off. So, nothing to do with Brexit, just the onward march of technology.
As if to underline this, albeit using existing methods and processes, Sainsbury's have made a start. Centralised and automated functions replacing a large number of jobs. Those with the work ethic will , undoubtedly , be off to pastures new . The problem is those who have neither the drive nor Country to return to will find themselves in our social welfare system . Rather debatable as to how much technology will change the working environment , supermarket checkouts yes , house builders no . All about the Country , ( wherever it is ) , being able to support it's population . Once an area becomes overpopulated in terms of people equal to the number of houses/jobs/medical facilities etc then cracks start to appear . Then the nationalists raise their banner and off we go again . History repeats and continues to do so .
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Oct 19 2017, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Oct 19 2017, 10:40 AM) Those with the work ethic will , undoubtedly , be off to pastures new . The problem is those who have neither the drive nor Country to return to will find themselves in our social welfare system . Rather debatable as to how much technology will change the working environment , supermarket checkouts yes , house builders no . All about the Country , ( wherever it is ) , being able to support it's population . Once an area becomes overpopulated in terms of people equal to the number of houses/jobs/medical facilities etc then cracks start to appear . Then the nationalists raise their banner and off we go again . History repeats and continues to do so . Having worked in various other countries, the U.K. welfare system, though undoubtedly good, is not the big magnet many think it to be. The biggest draw is language, English; simply because of the Americanisation of the west. If you just want looking after, Germany is the place to go. Ironically, immigrants are necessarily those with the 'get up and go' who move on looking for a better life, in terms of more money, not doles. So, they are likely to be the first out. For those without drive or initiative, though this hurts, look at the indigenous disaffected youth. Most of us think technological change as computers, iPhones and the like. It's consequence though is far greater. Not only office / retail / administration but every aspect of life. One very small example; the advent of plastic plumbing. This gives building developers the opportunity to de-skill and make much faster traditional metal plumbing tasks. Simplistically, iPhone instructions tell the operator what to do and the stuff to do it is easily transported, cut and fixed with no specialist training or tools. Job done faster with much cheaper labour and that's just one very small example. History indeed repeats itself; exactly what happened as the industrial revolution developed.
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Oct 19 2017, 06:05 PM
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QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Oct 19 2017, 04:28 PM) Having worked in various other countries, the U.K. welfare system, though undoubtedly good, is not the big magnet many think it to be. The biggest draw is language, English; simply because of the Americanisation of the west. If you just want looking after, Germany is the place to go. Ironically, immigrants are necessarily those with the 'get up and go' who move on looking for a better life, in terms of more money, not doles. So, they are likely to be the first out. For those without drive or initiative, though this hurts, look at the indigenous disaffected youth.
Most of us think technological change as computers, iPhones and the like. It's consequence though is far greater. Not only office / retail / administration but every aspect of life. One very small example; the advent of plastic plumbing. This gives building developers the opportunity to de-skill and make much faster traditional metal plumbing tasks. Simplistically, iPhone instructions tell the operator what to do and the stuff to do it is easily transported, cut and fixed with no specialist training or tools. Job done faster with much cheaper labour and that's just one very small example.
History indeed repeats itself; exactly what happened as the industrial revolution developed. We continually evolve and as a consequence in the UK we've become primarily a service based society. Each change brings about consequences. For example the online revolution means less retail space, but more leisure time. So the jobs in retail become delivery jobs and baristas! There are still plenty of jobs. They are just different jobs and as you say often less skill is needed.
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Oct 19 2017, 06:49 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 19 2017, 07:05 PM) We continually evolve and as a consequence in the UK we've become primarily a service based society. Each change brings about consequences. For example the online revolution means less retail space, but more leisure time. So the jobs in retail become delivery jobs and baristas! There are still plenty of jobs. They are just different jobs and as you say often less skill is needed. Could you explain to the uninitiated how having more leisure time is of advantage to someone on the minimum wage ? There may well be more jobs at the lower end of the market but don't you think they would be happier if they at least had some disposable income ?
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Oct 19 2017, 07:04 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Oct 19 2017, 07:49 PM) Could you explain to the uninitiated how having more leisure time is of advantage to someone on the minimum wage ? There may well be more jobs at the lower end of the market but don't you think they would be happier if they at least had some disposable income ? Where did I say it was an advantage?
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Oct 19 2017, 10:13 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 19 2017, 08:04 PM) Where did I say it was an advantage? Interesting article on SKY tonight where they interviewed some of the one million (estimated) illegal immigrants working on mostly slave wages. They see Brexit as a huge opportunity for them to gain UK citizenship and for them to stop being exploited. The group that were speaking were Tamils and living in a garage. Funny old world....I'd say we owe more historically to the old empire than the modern day EU. I'd like to see more brown faces from India and Sri Lanka etc than white ones from Eastern Europe. Just a personal choice and I love a good Diwali celebration.
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Oct 20 2017, 06:39 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 19 2017, 11:13 PM) Interesting article on SKY tonight where they interviewed some of the one million (estimated) illegal immigrants working on mostly slave wages. They see Brexit as a huge opportunity for them to gain UK citizenship and for them to stop being exploited. The group that were speaking were Tamils and living in a garage. Funny old world....I'd say we owe more historically to the old empire than the modern day EU. I'd like to see more brown faces from India and Sri Lanka etc than white ones from Eastern Europe. Just a personal choice and I love a good Diwali celebration. Sure. I somehow reckon if there were as many brown faces in Newbury as there are Eastern Europeans you'd change your tune. Remember many of them would be Muslims.
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Oct 20 2017, 10:44 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 20 2017, 07:39 AM) Sure. I somehow reckon if there were as many brown faces in Newbury as there are Eastern Europeans you'd change your tune. Remember many of them would be Muslims. You are evenly balanced. A chip on both shoulders. You don't know me chap.
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