Cheap labour post Brexit Options

[newres]

We stayed in a hotel in Bristol overnight and most of the staff were white non UK citizens. It occurred to me that if we opted out of the freedom of movement would we get that labour from the commonwealth and I wondered how the "take back control" folk would feel about that?

[The Hatter]

The bosses might end up being paid fairer wages too which will reduce prices. I think the biggest problem will be with nurses and doctors. No one is worried about where people come from if they are here doing a job.

[newres]

The bosses might end up being paid fairer wages too which will reduce prices. I think the biggest problem will be with nurses and doctors. No one is worried about where people come from if they are here doing a job.

I don't think that's right. I haven't seen figures but I doubt many here under freedom of movement are unemployed.

[The Hatter]

I don't think that's right. I haven't seen figures but I doubt many here under freedom of movement are unemployed.

There was a late news programme about it recently. We haven't been training anywhere near enough people for the NHS for a long time due to cuts and a bad way of training. They also said we have relied on NHS staff from the Cimmonwealth since the 1960s.

[newres]

There was a late news programme about it recently. We haven't been training anywhere near enough people for the NHS for a long time due to cuts and a bad way of training. They also said we have relied on NHS staff from the Cimmonwealth since the 1960s.

The point is that we need the immigrants here. We don't have unemployment so we won't be able to fill the jobs if we stop EU citizens coming. That will mean more immigration from the commonwealth. In other words more brown faces. Not what Farage had in mind.

[Biker1]

The point is that we need the immigrants here. We don't have unemployment

What 1.5 Million?

[newres]

What 1.5 Million?

Unemployment is 4.3%. Many of those will be "between" jobs and some will be long term unemployed, but in modern society that's effectively full employment. Besides there's over 2m EU citizens working here.

[Biker1]

Unemployment is 4.3%.

Yes 1.484 Million! Published in what is probably your favourite rag!
Plus, please note, the figure falls again post Brexit vote !!

Besides there's over 2m EU citizens working here.

Wow, frightening!

[newres]

Yes 1.484 Million! Published in what is probably your favourite rag!
Plus, please note, the figure falls again post Brexit vote !!

Wow, frightening!

If they all leave we are going to have a dire labour shortage. Ofcourse the point is that one way or another immigration will stay the same.

[SirWilliam]

If they all leave we are going to have a dire labour shortage. Ofcourse the point is that one way or another immigration will stay the same.

Why ? The yoof's of our inner cities are endeavouring to fill the gap as we speak . Obviously it will take a year or two before they are old enough to enter the work place . Seriously though , when the labour force numbers drop those left will benefit through the supply and demand principal . If that 1.5 million drawers of unemployment payment enter the workplace then everyone benefits .
Low pay is better than no pay .

[newres]

Why ? The yoof's of our inner cities are endeavouring to fill the gap as we speak . Obviously it will take a year or two before they are old enough to enter the work place . Seriously though , when the labour force numbers drop those left will benefit through the supply and demand principal . If that 1.5 million drawers of unemployment payment enter the workplace then everyone benefits .
Low pay is better than no pay .

That figure is illusory. Many of those will be "between" jobs and many will be long term unemployed. There isn't actually a pool of 1.5 million waiting. Effectively we have full employment. Difficult though it is for you folk to grasp.

[SirWilliam]

That figure is illusory. Many of those will be "between" jobs and many will be long term unemployed. There isn't actually a pool of 1.5 million waiting. Effectively we have full employment. Difficult though it is for you folk to grasp.

Next time I visit Liverpool I will show them your post . No doubt they will be so impressed they may even let me leave unmolested .

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Next time I visit Liverpool I will show them your post . No doubt they will be so impressed they may even let me leave unmolested .

😂 Some are so anti brexit its akin to a religion. I see the good old Austrians are deviating back to the norm. And Poland and Hungary are not happy. And the French President is already unpopular. And Merkel has a much reduced power base. Oh and the Spanish now have "political prisoners". Better ban spanish wine and fruit methinks. Oh and only go on holiday to Catalonia. After all, its the right thing to do.😂

[SirWilliam]

😂 Some are so anti brexit its akin to a religion. I see the good old Austrians are deviating back to the norm. And Poland and Hungary are not happy. And the French President is already unpopular. And Merkel has a much reduced power base. Oh and the Spanish now have "political prisoners". Better ban spanish wine and fruit methinks. Oh and only go on holiday to Catalonia. After all, its the right thing to do.😂

The world needs deviant Austrians , Sometimes I think it is best just to take an ambivalent view on the whole thing in the knowledge that life , hopefully , goes on . I still stand by my take that the European Union in it's present and proposed federalist future will not exist in 20 years time . ( Doubt I will either ) We will trade with those who have / want what we need / market and ignore the rest .
It is the nanny state syndrome that is tying us to the status quo . Bit like trying to wean a petulant child off the maternal breast , the longer it goes on the less inclined they are to adapt to proper food .
Personally I wouldn't holiday anywhere that I wasn't welcomed , and that is most of world .

[newres]

The world needs deviant Austrians , Sometimes I think it is best just to take an ambivalent view on the whole thing in the knowledge that life , hopefully , goes on . I still stand by my take that the European Union in it's present and proposed federalist future will not exist in 20 years time . ( Doubt I will either ) We will trade with those who have / want what we need / market and ignore the rest .
It is the nanny state syndrome that is tying us to the status quo . Bit like trying to wean a petulant child off the maternal breast , the longer it goes on the less inclined they are to adapt to proper food .
Personally I wouldn't holiday anywhere that I wasn't welcomed , and that is most of world .

Without wishing to stereotype, judging by your views you won't be around in 20 years to find out whether you were right!

Unemployment today at its lowest for 40 years. Where are we going to get 2m people from to replace the EU citizens?

[je suis Charlie]

Unemployment today at its lowest for 40 years. Where are we going to get 2m people from to replace the EU citizens?

Economist yesterday explaining why wages are low said that its because productivity is so low. So, work harder boys, get better wages and, we won't NEED so many workers. Not rocket science.

[SirWilliam]

Economist yesterday explaining why wages are low said that its because productivity is so low. So, work harder boys, get better wages and, we won't NEED so many workers. Not rocket science.

If you need proof of that viewpoint have you ever observed road workers ? One man digs/repairs the hole , two observe from a respectable distance and the foreman has a mobile glued to his ear . Now before the highways agency employees declare a fatwa on my life I am sure the same applies to other disciplines .
Someone , can't recall who , the other day cited the British worker as lazy compared with their European contemporaries .Now that is a simplistic statement as those who are willing to trek over half a continent to earn a living are hardly likely to be slouches but it does ask a few searching questions of the British ethos .

[newres]

If you need proof of that viewpoint have you ever observed road workers ? One man digs/repairs the hole , two observe from a respectable distance and the foreman has a mobile glued to his ear . Now before the highways agency employees declare a fatwa on my life I am sure the same applies to other disciplines .
Someone , can't recall who , the other day cited the British worker as lazy compared with their European contemporaries .Now that is a simplistic statement as those who are willing to trek over half a continent to earn a living are hardly likely to be slouches but it does ask a few searching questions of the British ethos .

And yet you want to ship home the hard working Europeans!