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Surrey confirms plans to raise council tax by 15%, What would you vote if West Berks did the same? |
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Feb 17 2017, 09:24 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 16 2017, 09:39 PM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) Post truth hits Newbury
Daily Mail headline screaming about injustice to transferring business rate to Councils so that they can spend a lot more Newbury Weekly News report says WBC are looking at making even more savage cuts.
Someone is telling porkies big time. Little wonder Joe Average has lost all faith in experts and politicians. I imagine they're both true. Some businesses don't want to pay more tax which and if that happens they'll be less money for public services.
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Feb 17 2017, 09:41 AM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 17 2017, 09:24 AM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) Some businesses don't want to pay more tax which and if that happens they'll be less money for public services. I don't think that's the case - as I understand it the total take from business rates is not going up - but the rates are changing to reflect the change in value of business properties over the last 10 years. So businesses in poorer areas where values have not risen much (or fallen) will be seeing their rates cut and businesses in places like Newbury, where values have rocketed will be paying a lot more. They are supposed to do this rebalancing every 5 years, for some reason they skipped the last one. WBC should apply to be part of the sweetner package pilot scheme the Govt has recently invented for Surrey's benefit and try to get to keep the business rates sooner. Then cut them back to 2016 levels.
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Feb 17 2017, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 17 2017, 09:41 AM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) I don't think that's the case - as I understand it the total take from business rates is not going up - but the rates are changing to reflect the change in value of business properties over the last 10 years. So businesses in poorer areas where values have not risen much (or fallen) will be seeing their rates cut and businesses in places like Newbury, where values have rocketed will be paying a lot more.
They are supposed to do this rebalancing every 5 years, for some reason they skipped the last one.
WBC should apply to be part of the sweetner package pilot scheme the Govt has recently invented for Surrey's benefit and try to get to keep the business rates sooner. Then cut them back to 2016 levels. Mind, with business quitting West Berkshire right now it its likely to be an own goal!
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 17 2017, 09:44 AM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) Mind, with business quitting West Berkshire right now it its likely to be an own goal! Bayer's departure will cost WBC about a million a year - but IKEA's arrival will make up for it!
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Feb 17 2017, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 17 2017, 04:05 PM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) Bayer's departure will cost WBC about a million a year - but IKEA's arrival will make up for it! Reading are already grumbling to the Boundary Commission....
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 17 2017, 07:09 PM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) Reading are already grumbling to the Boundary Commission.... About Ikea? Seems unlikely.
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Feb 21 2017, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 17 2017, 07:22 PM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) About Ikea?
Seems unlikely. I doubt that it is specifically about IKEA, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they want to extend Reading's boundaries to encompass all of Calcot, Tilehurst etc. - makes more than a little sense. Would be a massive hit to WBC's income, I wonder how much they spend in those areas?
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 21 2017, 05:43 PM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) I doubt that it is specifically about IKEA, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they want to extend Reading's boundaries to encompass all of Calcot, Tilehurst etc. - makes more than a little sense. Would be a massive hit to WBC's income, I wonder how much they spend in those areas? In the 2011 census the population of Reading Borough was 155,700 and West Berkshire was 153,822. Given there's almost parity in population, simply redrawing the Reading / West Berkshire boundary seems unlikely.
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QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 22 2017, 09:53 PM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) In the 2011 census the population of Reading Borough was 155,700 and West Berkshire was 153,822.
Given there's almost parity in population, simply redrawing the Reading / West Berkshire boundary seems unlikely. Population matters for constituencies and wards, not for local authorities. The Reading arguments will be about the self-evident fact that Calcot is part of Reading, with little or no connection to Newbury. They've been arguing for it for years, perhaps they'll get there one day.
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Biker1 Surrey confirms plans to raise council tax by 15% Jan 21 2017, 07:19 PM newres Interesting article here.
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Feb 25 2017, 12:13 PM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) On the edge QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 25 2017, 12:13 PM) Th... Feb 25 2017, 05:31 PM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) user23 QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 25 2017, 05:31 P... Feb 26 2017, 03:37 PM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Cognosco QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 26 2017, 03:37 PM) Wh... Feb 26 2017, 04:11 PM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) On the edge QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 26 2017, 03:37 PM) Wh... Feb 26 2017, 05:34 PM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) user23 QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 26 2017, 05:34 P... Feb 26 2017, 06:42 PM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) On the edge QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 26 2017, 06:42 PM) Yo... Feb 26 2017, 07:20 PM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) On the edge QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 26 2017, 03:37 PM) Wh... Feb 26 2017, 07:58 PM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 26 2017, 07:58 P... Feb 26 2017, 08:41 PM![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) blackdog QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 26 2017, 03:37 PM) Wh... Feb 27 2017, 10:37 AM
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