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Surrey confirms plans to raise council tax by 15%, What would you vote if West Berks did the same? |
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Feb 14 2017, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 13 2017, 05:55 PM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) Had a rootle on google.
It seems that the £23 billion raised by the business rates would more than pay for adult social care (£18.2 billion at its peak).
West Berks collects about £83 million in business rates (2016/17) and currently keeps around £18 million. They also get government grants totalling around £17 million. Assuming they lose all the grants and retain all the rates they will have £48 million a year extra to spend. Not bad on a £120 million budget.
However, it still wouldn't raise the amount they spend per head of population up to the current level of poor old Surrey's spending! Fine. So, there is at least £48 million in the Government's safe just waiting to be spent? Being of simple mind, that must surely mean someone has been telling lies about this need for austerity or someone is going to be very unhappy about losing their grants and other government bounty. I wonder which it is? NB - a consortium of big retaillers is presently heavily lobbying HMG to try and stop the transfer of business rates, fearful that local councils will increase the charges so reducing the attraction of High Streets still further. As if!
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Feb 14 2017, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 14 2017, 11:10 AM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) Fine. So, there is at least £48 million in the Government's safe just waiting to be spent? Being of simple mind, that must surely mean someone has been telling lies about this need for austerity or someone is going to be very unhappy about losing their grants and other government bounty. I wonder which it is?
NB - a consortium of big retaillers is presently heavily lobbying HMG to try and stop the transfer of business rates, fearful that local councils will increase the charges so reducing the attraction of High Streets still further. As if! Not at all, it is currently being spent - what it means (or seems to mean) is that the Governement is going to have to find more savings or borrow more to make up for the loss of this revenue. The whole scheme is bizarre, it just happens that WBC look set to benefit from it. In some places councils will be tempted to raise business rates to make up for past or future cuts in grant funding - I can't see that being necessary here (not while the Tories have control) - they could increase their budget by 25% and cut both council tax and business rates by 10%. Not that austerity is really on the agenda any more - it is being swept under the Brexit carpet.
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Biker1 Surrey confirms plans to raise council tax by 15% Jan 21 2017, 07:19 PM newres Interesting article here.
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