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JeffG
post Sep 8 2016, 06:38 PM
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Nowt wrong with Grammar Schools. We all need servants (who go to the other place) after all...
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post Sep 16 2016, 08:51 AM
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the thing is it doesn't matter how we interpret the article - it just needs some schools to interpret it as "don't stream / set" and they won't.

Also the modern "targets" are set as the schools having to get as many pupils as possible to this notional 5 c grade level. That means they ignore the more able pupils who will hit it no matter what, ignore the most needing help as they wont get it no matter what, and concentrate on the borderline pupils they can tip over that level.

Thus we have schools targeted to make the mediocre a bit better whilst ignoring bottom and top - what a great ambition. No wonder given this that parents who feel there is even a faint chance that their children are above that level feel it is worth tutoring etc and hopefully getting their child into a grammar where they will be pushed to significantly beat that 5c ambition.

I live in hope that the more recent change to value added measurements changes this BUT it relies on the NUT etc not scuppering the entry level measurementsneeded to calculate the value added by sabotaging the SATS in yr6
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- JeffG   Grammar Schools: Yea or Nay?   Sep 8 2016, 06:38 PM
- - On the edge   QUOTE (JeffG @ Sep 8 2016, 07:38 PM) Nowt...   Sep 8 2016, 07:46 PM
- - Andy Capp   Grammar schools are fine, provided you can get int...   Sep 8 2016, 07:57 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 8 2016, 08:57 PM) ...   Sep 8 2016, 08:14 PM
|- - Andy1   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 8 2016, 08:57 PM) ...   Sep 9 2016, 12:55 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Blake @ Sep 8 2016, 11:30 PM) Real...   Sep 9 2016, 01:56 PM
|- - blackdog   QUOTE (Andy1 @ Sep 9 2016, 01:55 PM) Real...   Sep 9 2016, 05:32 PM
|- - Andy1   QUOTE (blackdog @ Sep 9 2016, 06:32 PM) W...   Sep 10 2016, 04:28 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (blackdog @ Sep 9 2016, 06:32 PM) W...   Sep 10 2016, 05:17 PM
|- - blackdog   QUOTE (On the edge @ Sep 10 2016, 06:17 P...   Sep 10 2016, 10:30 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (blackdog @ Sep 10 2016, 11:30 PM) ...   Sep 11 2016, 06:25 AM
- - Andy Capp   And all dependant on an exam in one year.   Sep 8 2016, 08:49 PM
- - Blake   Really in favour as long as places go those within...   Sep 8 2016, 10:30 PM
|- - JeffG   QUOTE (Blake @ Sep 8 2016, 11:30 PM) Real...   Sep 9 2016, 01:58 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (JeffG @ Sep 9 2016, 02:58 PM) Real...   Sep 9 2016, 03:17 PM
- - Andy Capp   It's a shame all schools weren't grammar s...   Sep 9 2016, 03:53 PM
|- - JeffG   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 9 2016, 04:53 PM) ...   Sep 9 2016, 04:03 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (JeffG @ Sep 9 2016, 05:03 PM) That...   Sep 9 2016, 06:18 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (JeffG @ Sep 9 2016, 05:03 PM) That...   Sep 9 2016, 08:59 PM
|- - JeffG   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 9 2016, 09:59 PM) ...   Sep 10 2016, 08:23 AM
- - Andy Capp   I anticipate it to be a gimmic: reletively little ...   Sep 9 2016, 10:05 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 9 2016, 11:05 PM) ...   Sep 10 2016, 06:38 AM
- - Mr Brown   It's all about choice again. If you choose to...   Sep 11 2016, 12:23 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Sep 11 2016, 01:23 PM) ...   Sep 11 2016, 04:25 PM
- - Rdg   Strangely enough one of the most financially agnos...   Sep 12 2016, 11:37 AM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (Rdg @ Sep 12 2016, 12:37 PM) Stran...   Sep 12 2016, 12:32 PM
|- - Rdg   QUOTE (On the edge @ Sep 12 2016, 01:32 P...   Sep 12 2016, 12:42 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (Rdg @ Sep 12 2016, 01:42 PM) No an...   Sep 12 2016, 04:45 PM
|- - Lolly   QUOTE (On the edge @ Sep 12 2016, 05:45 P...   Sep 14 2016, 09:42 AM
|- - JeffG   QUOTE (Lolly @ Sep 14 2016, 10:42 AM) I ...   Sep 14 2016, 10:46 AM
- - Simon Kirby   Segregated education is an awful, hateful idea. T...   Sep 14 2016, 07:20 PM
- - Andy Capp   I think it is a way for the well off to get to the...   Sep 14 2016, 08:18 PM
- - Rdg   I could agree with non segrated schools if the com...   Sep 15 2016, 01:29 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (Rdg @ Sep 15 2016, 02:29 PM) I cou...   Sep 15 2016, 10:04 PM
|- - Rdg   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Sep 15 2016, 11:04 P...   Sep 15 2016, 10:51 PM
- - JeffG   Goodness - I thought comprehensives were streamed ...   Sep 15 2016, 02:05 PM
- - Rdg   last i could see, some streaming in maths ( a top ...   Sep 15 2016, 03:20 PM
- - On the edge   I must admit, I'm another who didn't reali...   Sep 15 2016, 04:15 PM
- - Andy Capp   When I wuz a lad, we had CSE and O level streams.   Sep 15 2016, 07:29 PM
|- - JeffG   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 15 2016, 08:29 PM)...   Sep 16 2016, 04:10 AM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (JeffG @ Sep 16 2016, 05:10 AM) Whe...   Sep 16 2016, 06:33 AM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (JeffG @ Sep 16 2016, 05:10 AM) Whe...   Sep 16 2016, 08:23 AM
|- - JeffG   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 16 2016, 09:23 AM)...   Sep 16 2016, 09:01 AM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (JeffG @ Sep 16 2016, 10:01 AM) I d...   Sep 16 2016, 12:27 PM
|- - JeffG   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 16 2016, 01:27 PM)...   Sep 16 2016, 12:58 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (JeffG @ Sep 16 2016, 01:58 PM) I d...   Sep 16 2016, 01:52 PM
- - JeffG   My son who was at St Bart's tells me they were...   Sep 15 2016, 09:08 PM
|- - Ron   QUOTE (JeffG @ Sep 15 2016, 10:08 PM) My ...   Sep 15 2016, 09:41 PM
- - On the edge   Do we actually have any non streamed classes in sc...   Sep 15 2016, 09:50 PM
- - Andy Capp   We also had a remedial stream in the same school. ...   Sep 16 2016, 08:14 AM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Rdg @ Sep 16 2016, 09:51 AM) the t...   Sep 16 2016, 12:36 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 16 2016, 01:36 PM)...   Sep 16 2016, 12:50 PM
- - Rdg   Well Andy I gaurantee that the current idea of com...   Sep 16 2016, 01:05 PM
|- - Rachel   QUOTE (Rdg @ Sep 16 2016, 01:05 PM) Well ...   Sep 24 2016, 08:57 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (Rachel @ Sep 24 2016, 09:57 PM) I ...   Sep 25 2016, 06:36 AM
- - Rdg   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 16 2016, 02:52 PM)...   Sep 16 2016, 02:08 PM


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