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Claude
post Aug 12 2016, 12:24 PM
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The story is here

The petition is here

Over 1,300 names on a petition to reduce the speed limit to 50mph and install average speed cameras, and MP Benyon is now calling for action.

Does anyone else support this petition? I can't say I do, I just want to know why the accidents have happened in the first place.
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je suis Charlie
post Sep 12 2016, 12:00 PM
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It you don't know what speed he was doo.g do you.
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post Sep 12 2016, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Sep 12 2016, 01:00 PM) *
It you don't know what speed he was doo.g do you.

It no I doo.g n't.

But I do know he was driving too fast to stop (unless he chose not to), and too fast to complete the manoeuvre, and as a result of the speed he was doing 4 people (?) lost their lives.
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post Sep 12 2016, 01:03 PM
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QUOTE (Claude @ Sep 12 2016, 01:34 PM) *
It no I doo.g n't.

But I do know he was driving too fast to stop (unless he chose not to), and too fast to complete the manoeuvre, and as a result of the speed he was doing 4 people (?) lost their lives.


a ) his class of vehicle is limited to 56 mph
b ) any speed was dangerous given that he was using his mobile at the time and not paying attention to the road
c ) given b ), applying a (50mph?) limit to this stretch of road would have made no difference whatsoever
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post Sep 12 2016, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Sep 12 2016, 02:03 PM) *
a ) his class of vehicle is limited to 56 mph
b ) any speed was dangerous given that he was using his mobile at the time and not paying attention to the road
c ) given b ), applying a (50mph?) limit to this stretch of road would have made no difference whatsoever

a) fascinating

b ) even 1mph?

c) I don't know any facts about the accident but if we assume the guy was driving at 56mph, it's impossible for anyone to know whether the outcome might have been different had he been limited to 50mph. To say it would have made no difference whatsoever isn't something you can support

My point is not that there should be a mandated limit of 50mph, or any other number chosen at random, I was simply arguing against JSC's point that excess speed had no part to play.
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post Sep 12 2016, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE (Claude @ Sep 12 2016, 03:50 PM) *
a) fascinating

b ) even 1mph?

c) I don't know any facts about the accident but if we assume the guy was driving at 56mph, it's impossible for anyone to know whether the outcome might have been different had he been limited to 50mph. To say it would have made no difference whatsoever isn't something you can support

My point is not that there should be a mandated limit of 50mph, or any other number chosen at random, I was simply arguing against JSC's point that excess speed had no part to play.

But that is my point. You don't know, he may have been travelling at 45mph. A blanket 50mph limit would not have made a difference. It wouldn't have happened if Bozo the clown hadn't been using his mobile
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- Claude   A34 speed limit petition   Aug 12 2016, 12:24 PM
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- - Downlander   Apologies, I see the first link is to the recent f...   Aug 14 2016, 10:57 AM
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- - Turin Machine   Sorry ole chap, but, Adrian? Who he?   Aug 17 2016, 12:58 AM
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|- - Turin Machine   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 17 2016, 07:53 AM) Wa...   Aug 17 2016, 10:37 AM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 17 2016, 11:37...   Aug 17 2016, 10:53 AM
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- - Turin Machine   Part of the problem is that it is a hilly section ...   Aug 17 2016, 11:14 AM
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