Corbyn, This is democracy!!!! Options

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Shouts a Corbynister outside the NEC meeting as Corbyn leaves. Yep 32 people sat round a table making a decision which affects the whole Country is far more democratic than a referendum involving 40 odd million people!!!!!😂

We need an opposition. This is a disaster.

[Andy Capp]

I thought we had a comparatively good government when we had the coalition, but we couldn't directly vote for it. I think we have to analyse democracy and how it can best implemented. All winning national parties and referendum decisions are achieved by a minority of the population. The right have an advantage because there are fewer right-wing parties, so fewer split votes.

[GMR]

I thought we had a comparatively good government when we had the coalition, but we couldn't directly vote for it. I think we have to analyse democracy and how it can best implemented. All winning national parties and referendum decisions are achieved by a minority of the population. The right have an advantage because there are fewer right-wing parties, so fewer split votes.

The trouble is democracy is different things to different people. Over analysing you can end up disappearing to the planet Uranus. And who analyses it? The People? The government? Or the minority groups?

[Andy Capp]

The trouble is democracy is different things to different people. Over analysing you can end up disappearing to the planet Uranus. And who analyses it? The People? The government? Or the minority groups?

Who said anything about over analysing anything; as Churchill once said: 'However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results'.

In my view there is something not right when 25% of the electorate can vote for something that has complete control (as in the General Election). Also, over a million more people voted for Brexit than Remain, but the percentage was narrow, yet it is a complete victory. Then we might consider the competence of the electorate; do they even know what they are doing and were they given proper advice?

We should never just stop on a decision; decisions should be constantly challenged. It's how science works and what makes it the most useful tool we have at the moment.

[GMR]

Who said anything about over analysing anything; as Churchill once said: 'However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results'. In my view there is something not right when 25% of the electorate can vote for something that has complete control (as in the General Election). Also, over a million more people voted for Brexit than Remain, but the percentage was narrow, yet it is a complete victory. Then we might consider the competence of the electorate; do they even know what they are doing and were they given proper advice? We should never just stop on a decision; decisions should be constantly challenged. It's how science works and what makes it the most useful tool we have at the moment.

If you are saying it isn't fair then I presume you are talking about PR? The trouble with that system is that smaller parties could get into government or at least in a powerful position. It will give far-right or far-left groups a chance and could make our country unpredictable and unstable. At the moment I would say that first past the post is the best out of a bad bunch.

As for the referendum; we accepted the rules when we went into it. Sturgeon had suggested that unless all the parties of the UK agreed (or voted in) then it wouldn't count. If Cameron wanted to stay then I am surprised he didn't go for it.

[Andy Capp]

If you are saying it isn't fair then I presume you are talking about PR? The trouble with that system is that smaller parties could get into government or at least in a powerful position. It will give far-right or far-left groups a chance and could make our country unpredictable and unstable. At the moment I would say that first past the post is the best out of a bad bunch.

The FPTP system seems to have created a political environment that is the most unstable in many decades, and who would have predicted the outcome of the last general election or referendum?

As for the referendum; we accepted the rules when we went into it. Sturgeon had suggested that unless all the parties of the UK agreed (or voted in) then it wouldn't count. If Cameron wanted to stay then I am surprised he didn't go for it.

I don't remember anyone being asked? Scotland is much smaller than England in population terms, so in my view it wouldn't be right to have given it equal weight.

[GMR]

I don't remember anyone being asked?

Why should you be asked? It is decide by the government. We just got the vote/ referendum.