Corbyn, This is democracy!!!! Options

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Shouts a Corbynister outside the NEC meeting as Corbyn leaves. Yep 32 people sat round a table making a decision which affects the whole Country is far more democratic than a referendum involving 40 odd million people!!!!!😂

We need an opposition. This is a disaster.

[On the edge]

It isn't just about winning votes. The Blair idea of being more Tory than Tory might have worked for a while, but it's not sustainable. Having three conservative parties (four if you count UKIP) isn't democracy and brings it down to a choice of apples or apples. It also brings us to the managerial, 'free microwave' if you vote for me politics which boils down to the voters choice as being what colour their Ritlin dose should be.

[GMR]

It isn't just about winning votes. The Blair idea of being more Tory than Tory might have worked for a while, but it's not sustainable. Having three conservative parties (four if you count UKIP) isn't democracy and brings it down to a choice of apples or apples. It also brings us to the managerial, 'free microwave' if you vote for me politics which boils down to the voters choice as being what colour their Ritlin dose should be.

I disagree; you can have three centrist parties (or Tory as you call them). All parties have had to take the centre ground if they want to govern. Now that Labour have turned far-left they've become a minority party. Even in Scotland the SMP have moved to the centre ground. And that is the thoughts of the people (majority centre). But having three "Tory parties" doesn't mean three exact same policies. They can all cut their cloth accordingly.

Blair's ideas failed, not because of "more Tory," but because of the Iraq and most of his policies were just sound bites. And we also must forget that the Tories weren't electable at the time. Blair type Tory politics could have survived if they had a leader who knew what he was doing. The same applies for the actual Tory party. At the end of the day it has always boiled down to apples or apples, the question is, what variety of apples?

[On the edge]

I disagree; you can have three centrist parties (or Tory as you call them). All parties have had to take the centre ground if they want to govern. Now that Labour have turned far-left they've become a minority party. Even in Scotland the SMP have moved to the centre ground. And that is the thoughts of the people (majority centre). But having three "Tory parties" doesn't mean three exact same policies. They can all cut their cloth accordingly.

Blair's ideas failed, not because of "more Tory," but because of the Iraq and most of his policies were just sound bites. And we also must forget that the Tories weren't electable at the time. Blair type Tory politics could have survived if they had a leader who knew what he was doing. The same applies for the actual Tory party. At the end of the day it has always boiled down to apples or apples, the question is, what variety of apples?

For me, that exactly sums up what's wrong with today's politics. It means there is no point in voting. I'm going to get an apple so why am I that concerned what type, particularly if I don't like apples and would rather have a bag of crisps.

What seems to be the biggest problem is the now well outdated segmentation. Labour; seen as the 'workers' party, the Tory's, the establishment. That leaves UKIP which is really Thatcherisim (Cobdenite Liberalisim) or LibDem as the Fabians bringing up the rear. We do need new groupings, big or small government.