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Feb 21 2016, 06:00 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 21 2016, 05:42 PM) In. One look the collection of swivel eyed and leftie loons leading the Out campaign (some of whom would like to see us more closely aligned with Russia if we leave the EU) should tell you everything you need to know. This is exactly the sort of c**p that gets my goat. Don't vote out because 2 people you don't like are in favour of out. So..... if these people were for "in" I guess you'd vote "out"???
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Feb 21 2016, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 21 2016, 06:00 PM) This is exactly the sort of c**p that gets my goat. Don't vote out because 2 people you don't like are in favour of out. So..... if these people were for "in" I guess you'd vote "out"??? Firstly they'd never be "in", it's not in their interests, secondly it's not just two, the Out roster including Michael Gove, Frank Field, Boris Jonhson and Jacob Rees-Mogg looks like a collection of the most eccentric politicians in the UK.
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Feb 21 2016, 07:56 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 21 2016, 07:01 PM) Firstly they'd never be "in", it's not in their interests, secondly it's not just two, the Out roster including Michael Gove, Frank Field, Boris Jonhson and Jacob Rees-Mogg looks like a collection of the most eccentric politicians in the UK. Throughout political history the big intellects in each party have never been popular;zi suppose because they don't court the cause of the moment. What is interesting is that these big thinkers are in the out camp. Ironically, they are also old liberals - small government, so would necessarily upset people who believe in a collective centrist approach to all things. The concept of a common market (and if you think about it, that inevitably means eventual integration) is great in theory but experience demonstrates it simply doesn't work in practice.
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Feb 21 2016, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 21 2016, 07:56 PM) Throughout political history the big intellects in each party have never been popular;zi suppose because they don't court the cause of the moment. What is interesting is that these big thinkers are in the out camp. Ironically, they are also old liberals - small government, so would necessarily upset people who believe in a collective centrist approach to all things.
The concept of a common market (and if you think about it, that inevitably means eventual integration) is great in theory but experience demonstrates it simply doesn't work in practice. Do you consider George Galloway and Nigel Farage "big intellects"? Here's the former interviewing the latter on his Russia Today TV show.
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Feb 21 2016, 10:28 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 21 2016, 08:50 PM) Ah, yes, but, if we vote out what will UKIP have left in the toybox? You don't carry on with a war when victory or defeat has been declared. They have already achieved their objective, a referendum.
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Feb 21 2016, 11:25 PM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Feb 21 2016, 10:28 PM) You don't carry on with a war when victory or defeat has been declared. They have already achieved their objective, a referendum. True, but, I wonder whether that's all there is. If so why racist? Puzzled much I am!
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Feb 22 2016, 12:09 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 21 2016, 11:25 PM) True, but, I wonder whether that's all there is. If so why racist? Puzzled much I am! Give it a rest, there is no racist policy. That is a spin tactic by swivel eyed liberals (you know who, them wot don't read the daily wail/hail). An urban myth with no evidence. If the UKIP party are racist, why is Nigel consistently given media time by the BBC and other outlets. Why has he been provided with his own newspaper columns and radio appearances? Why did he appear on TV with the couple who partake in gogglebox? If you wonder what else there is, perhaps you should take the time to look, you'd find nothing to back up that twaddle. Someone asked on here why some post links to backup their opinions. I provide some new reading for you. Here are two links which state facts, not hearsay/rumor and 'I will say that cos I don't want to stand out'. That sounds familiar. http://www.ukip.org/the_constitutionhttps://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ukipd....pdf?1448534213Why is it that when a UKIP member causes 'outrage' by offering stupid opinions in isolation, it is reported as UKIP policy? Whenever that happens they get kicked out but are still associated with UKIP policy. So convenient to slur a genuine party that speaks for many of us who were cheated of representation by a corrupt voting system which allowed over four million people not to be represented.
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Feb 22 2016, 12:56 AM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Feb 22 2016, 12:09 AM) Why is it that when a UKIP member causes 'outrage' by offering stupid opinions in isolation, it is reported as UKIP policy? Whenever that happens they get kicked out but are still associated with UKIP policy. So convenient to slur a genuine party that speaks for many of us who were cheated of representation by a corrupt voting system which allowed over four million people not to be represented. The concern is that one is worried about a person having those views being in a position of power. All parties to the left of UKIP will have racists, probably soft racists, but the thought is that UKIP might have more than most.
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Feb 22 2016, 01:19 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 22 2016, 12:56 AM) The concern is that one is worried about a person having those views being in a position of power. All parties to the left of UKIP will have racists, probably soft racists, but the thought is that UKIP might have more than most. I thought racists were to the right? Your reply does not address the points I made. Also, have you noticed the distinct lack of HYS on the BBC website?
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Feb 22 2016, 01:27 AM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Feb 22 2016, 01:19 AM) I thought racists were to the right? They can be anywhere; racism is human trait. Parties to the left of UKIP, like the Monster Raving Tories, are bound to have racists amongst their fold. Labour certainly do as I believe Diane Abbot has demonstrated as such. QUOTE (x2lls @ Feb 22 2016, 01:19 AM) Your reply does not address the points I made. I never intend to, but I agree officially UKIP in policy are not obviously racist, but I believe UKIP are more likely to have racist members than center ground parties. QUOTE (x2lls @ Feb 22 2016, 01:19 AM) Also, have you noticed the distinct lack of HYS on the BBC website? No I haven't.
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Feb 22 2016, 07:57 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 22 2016, 01:27 AM) ... I agree officially UKIP in policy are not obviously racist... The issue for me is that UKIP attracts intolerant illiberal reactionary totalitarian xenophobes, and some of them will likely be racists too, but it's not true to say that UKIP is a racist party.
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I don't like the way Eur... Feb 21 2016, 04:14 PM James_Trinder Got to be in. We do too much trade with the rest ... Feb 22 2016, 02:01 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Feb 22 2016, 02:01... Feb 22 2016, 03:13 PM James_Trinder QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 22 2016, 03:13 PM)... Feb 22 2016, 04:09 PM On the edge QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Feb 22 2016, 04:09... Feb 22 2016, 05:48 PM James_Trinder QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 22 2016, 05:48 P... Feb 23 2016, 12:57 PM On the edge QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Feb 23 2016, 12:57... Feb 23 2016, 03:04 PM Simon Kirby QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 22 2016, 03:13 PM)... Feb 22 2016, 04:31 PM Andy Capp I would be more in favour of a EU light, but to de... Feb 21 2016, 04:35 PM TallDarkAndHandsome QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 21 2016, 07:01 PM) Fi... Feb 21 2016, 07:16 PM user23 QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 21 2016, 07... Feb 21 2016, 08:40 PM TallDarkAndHandsome QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 21 2016, 08:40 PM) I ... Feb 21 2016, 08:48 PM TallDarkAndHandsome QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 21 2016, 07:56 P... Feb 21 2016, 08:01 PM user23 QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 21 2016, 08... Feb 21 2016, 08:56 PM TallDarkAndHandsome QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 21 2016, 08:56 PM) On... Feb 21 2016, 08:59 PM TallDarkAndHandsome Has anyone noticed how most keyboard warriors stru... Feb 21 2016, 09:02 PM On the edge QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 21 2016, 08:56 PM) On... Feb 21 2016, 09:17 PM Turin Machine QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 22 2016, 12:56 AM)... Feb 22 2016, 01:16 AM Simon Kirby I'd also say that a strong case can be made to... Feb 22 2016, 07:59 AM On the edge QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 21 2016, 08:47 PM) Do... Feb 21 2016, 09:04 PM user23 QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 21 2016, 09:04 P... Feb 21 2016, 09:14 PM On the edge QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 21 2016, 09:14 PM) In... Feb 21 2016, 09:41 PM Cognosco QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 21 2016, 05:42 PM) In... Feb 21 2016, 06:34 PM GMR QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 21 2016, 05:42 PM) In... Feb 22 2016, 05:23 PM Simon Kirby I'm undecided. I don't particularly like ... Feb 21 2016, 08:09 PM TallDarkAndHandsome QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 21 2016, 08:09 P... Feb 21 2016, 08:23 PM je suis Charlie QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 21 2016, 08:09 P... Feb 21 2016, 08:42 PM je suis Charlie 1st minister wants out of GT Britain but wants to ... Feb 21 2016, 08:48 PM TallDarkAndHandsome QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 21 2016, 08... Feb 21 2016, 08:51 PM je suis Charlie QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 21 2016, 08... Feb 21 2016, 08:54 PM Andy Capp While I would vote 'No' now, I stand to be... Feb 21 2016, 10:11 PM Andy Capp What I'd like to know is why people would want... Feb 22 2016, 01:20 AM On the edge UKIP simply suffers from our present deliberate mi... Feb 22 2016, 07:55 AM Biker1 Out.
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