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Andy Capp
post Sep 1 2015, 05:28 PM
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Anyone feel that the current much reported immigration issue is an example of doing something when we shouldn't (Iraq) and not doing something when we should (Syria)? Or is is this a more complex and multifaceted issue. People see what an open society we have compared to their own lot and want a taste of it too? An unintended consequence of an open boarder policy?
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Andy Capp
post Sep 4 2015, 06:00 PM
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I appreciate fully that I am writing from a position of comfort and privilege, but I can't help thinking that our government are in effect 'giving in to terrorists' and hostage to a media that are distorting the picture.
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post Sep 4 2015, 06:27 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 4 2015, 07:00 PM) *
I appreciate fully that I am writing from a position of comfort and privilege, but I can't help thinking that our government are in effect 'giving in to terrorists' and hostage to a media that are distorting the picture.





And what about the Jews in the 30s? We and other nations took them when the Nazi's were on the march. Maybe we shouldn't have; after all, didn't we and the world give into Nazi terrorism? Maybe we should have let the Jews be gassed to prove that we won't be intimidated by such Nazi terrorism. And yes, you are writing from your comforts and privileges. I wonder what your attitude would have been if you had been a Jew in the 30s or one of the refugees today? Would you be shouting "don't give into the terrorist ********, show your strengths and let us die; women and children".

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post Sep 4 2015, 06:38 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Sep 4 2015, 07:27 PM) *
And what about the Jews in the 30s? We and other nations took them when the Nazi's were on the march. Maybe we shouldn't have; after all, didn't we and the world give into Nazi terrorism? Maybe we should have let the Jews be gassed to prove that we won't be intimidated by such Nazi terrorism. And yes, you are writing from your comforts and privileges. I wonder what your attitude would have been if you had been a Jew in the 30s or one of the refugees today? Would you be shouting "don't give into the terrorist ********, show your strengths and let us die; women and children".

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