Immigration Crisis, getting what we deserve? Options

[Andy Capp]

Anyone feel that the current much reported immigration issue is an example of doing something when we shouldn't (Iraq) and not doing something when we should (Syria)? Or is is this a more complex and multifaceted issue. People see what an open society we have compared to their own lot and want a taste of it too? An unintended consequence of an open boarder policy?

[Petra]

Dear all,

What you dummkopf’s do not realise, that is those that object to Britain accepting more immigrants/ migrants/ refugees, is that we will accept them anyway. Germany is accepting 800,000, and some estimates say that will be every year, and once they are processed, then they are entitled to move around Europe freely (as part of European freedom of movement law). As far as I know, so that European countries can save face, they will refuse immigrants; however, accept them through the back door (i.e. through Germany). So the debate on whether we should accept immigrants or not is sterile. Most of those that went to Germany, or are going to Germany, plan to end up in Britain, as their main language or second language is English.

Governments are not stupid, they know how to navigate through their countries bigotry, xenophobia etc., by playing the media game for the benefit of the fickle public and press.

Yours,

Petra

[Berkshirelad]

Dear all,

What you dummkopf’s do not realise, that is those that object to Britain accepting more immigrants/ migrants/ refugees, is that we will accept them anyway. Germany is accepting 800,000, and some estimates say that will be every year, and once they are processed, then they are entitled to move around Europe freely (as part of European freedom of movement law). As far as I know, so that European countries can save face, they will refuse immigrants; however, accept them through the back door (i.e. through Germany). So the debate on whether we should accept immigrants or not is sterile. Most of those that went to Germany, or are going to Germany, plan to end up in Britain, as their main language or second language is English.

Governments are not stupid, they know how to navigate through their countries bigotry, xenophobia etc., by playing the media game for the benefit of the fickle public and press.

Yours,

Petra

I think you are conflating EU freedom of movement with the Schengen Treaty. Easy to do if you don't actually know what you are talking about.

Freedom of movement does not apply until citizenship of an EU state has been granted - it is not available to every migrant. As migrants, people are free to move around the Schengen area - which we are not a part of - once they have entered it. They have no such freedom for non-Schengen countries until they move from migrant status to citizen status.

Yes, Germany has said it will accept 800,000 migrants; but that is not the same as giving them German citizenship

[Andy Capp]

I think you are conflating EU freedom of movement with the Schengen Treaty. Easy to do if you don't actually know what you are talking about.

Freedom of movement does not apply until citizenship of an EU state has been granted - it is not available to every migrant. As migrants, people are free to move around the Schengen area - which we are not a part of - once they have entered it. They have no such freedom for non-Schengen countries until they move from migrant status to citizen status.

Yes, Germany has said it will accept 800,000 migrants; but that is not the same as giving them German citizenship

I think we are also conflating poor souls drowning at sea with young apparently healthy adults banging on the door of the EU borderer countries demanding a right of passage to a county of their preferred choice.