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Simon Kirby
post Apr 28 2015, 09:55 PM
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Story here.

"The council has been awarded a £5.07m grant from the Department for Transport on the basis that it agreed to fund the remaining 30 per cent – or £2.17m."

As I understand it our government, national and local, are supposed to respect this period of purdah and not publish this kind of news. If this really is WBC putting this news out there then it really is very poor form.


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post Apr 30 2015, 08:17 PM
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Frankly, I'd follow the example of some other Countries and have rather stricter rules about information. Arguably, all business should stop until after an election. The usual accounting statistics excepted. There should be no difficulty about this - particularly as this time the date was known five years ago. It's nothing new either, those of us with civil service knowledge know nothing moves until 'the vote' is approved.

In this case, as U23 points out, it isn't even news, simply confirming a project us in track - so yes, it's reasonable to ask why now? I also have to say I'm personally very uncomfortable that a new CEO at NTC has just been appointed. Similarly, that should have waited too. Arguably some new NTC candidates might even feel there is no real justification in replacing this role.


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post Apr 30 2015, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 30 2015, 09:17 PM) *
Frankly, I'd follow the example of some other Countries and have rather stricter rules about information. Arguably, all business should stop until after an election. The usual accounting statistics excepted. There should be no difficulty about this - particularly as this time the date was known five years ago. It's nothing new either, those of us with civil service knowledge know nothing moves until 'the vote' is approved.

In this case, as U23 points out, it isn't even news, simply confirming a project us in track - so yes, it's reasonable to ask why now? I also have to say I'm personally very uncomfortable that a new CEO at NTC has just been appointed. Similarly, that should have waited too. Arguably some new NTC candidates might even feel there is no real justification in replacing this role.
Are you saying all ongoing projects at a council should be suspended during a local election?
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post Apr 30 2015, 09:02 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Apr 30 2015, 09:26 PM) *
Are you saying all ongoing projects at a council should be suspended during a local election?


Arguably they should be planned to be at a project break point so they can be stopped. Thus us nowhere near as difficult as might be imagined and is (or certainly was) usual practice in national government. It also happens in business, for instance in cases of mergers and acquisitions, in those cases, quite major projects will be stopped its little notice. At least in the public sector, the democratic timetable is known.


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post Apr 30 2015, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 30 2015, 10:02 PM) *
Arguably they should be planned to be at a project break point so they can be stopped. Thus us nowhere near as difficult as might be imagined and is (or certainly was) usual practice in national government. It also happens in business, for instance in cases of mergers and acquisitions, in those cases, quite major projects will be stopped its little notice. At least in the public sector, the democratic timetable is known.
Shutting down projects at some councils for one month most years doesn't seem very efficient.

What would staff working on those project do for that month?
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post May 1 2015, 06:04 AM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Apr 30 2015, 10:11 PM) *
Shutting down projects at some councils for one month most years doesn't seem very efficient.

What would staff working on those project do for that month?


Identifying break points, funding periods and managing risks in projects is actually standard practice in organisations with competent project managers. Of course as is widely acknowledged, public sector project delivery isn't good. Rather than explain in detail, how you do this, I'll simply direct you to the Council's excellent public library which has a good selection of books on project management.


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post May 1 2015, 07:33 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 1 2015, 07:04 AM) *
Identifying break points, funding periods and managing risks in projects is actually standard practice in organisations with competent project managers. Of course as is widely acknowledged, public sector project delivery isn't good. Rather than explain in detail, how you do this, I'll simply direct you to the Council's excellent public library which ha
s a good selection of books on project management.
Rather than being so patronising perhaps you'd answer question of what you'd expect staff to do for a whole month most years at some councils when all projects are suspended?
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post May 2 2015, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ May 1 2015, 08:33 AM) *
Rather than being so patronising perhaps you'd answer question of what you'd expect staff to do for a whole month most years at some councils when all projects are suspended?

Council staff get holiday entitlement presumably? So they could take their holiday, full time workers get 22 days minimum I believe? That covers a month.
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post May 2 2015, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ May 2 2015, 03:15 PM) *
Council staff get holiday entitlement presumably? So they could take their holiday, full time workers get 22 days minimum I believe? That covers a month.

28 days now, thanks to the Working Time Directive - another piece of European legislation that big-business wants us to unravel.


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