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Apr 28 2015, 09:55 PM
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Story here. "The council has been awarded a £5.07m grant from the Department for Transport on the basis that it agreed to fund the remaining 30 per cent – or £2.17m." As I understand it our government, national and local, are supposed to respect this period of purdah and not publish this kind of news. If this really is WBC putting this news out there then it really is very poor form.
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Apr 30 2015, 07:42 AM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Apr 30 2015, 07:55 AM) Sorry Simon, I can't be bothered to read all that political waffle.
My advice would be, if a member of the public has exposed a uturn on your policy, come clean about it. Exposing political chicanery is not a u-turn; you're argument is false if not stupid. Can I legitimately assume that as a professed 'member of the public', you maintain that your posts are free from political bias or that you have no stakeholding on the matter?
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Apr 30 2015, 04:38 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 30 2015, 08:42 AM) Exposing political chicanery is not a u-turn; you're argument is false if not stupid. Can I legitimately assume that as a professed 'member of the public', you maintain that your posts are free from political bias or that you have no stakeholding on the matter? If you think highlighting a political u-turn is stupid then we best end this conversation.
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Apr 30 2015, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Apr 30 2015, 05:38 PM) If you think highlighting a political u-turn is stupid then we best end this conversation. This isn't about the sense of the grant, it's about the timing of the announcement. Purdah exists to prevent the incumbent party taking advantage of the apparatus of government to gain a political advantage. But you know that.
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Apr 30 2015, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 30 2015, 06:23 PM) This isn't about the sense of the grant, it's about the timing of the announcement. Purdah exists to prevent the incumbent party taking advantage of the apparatus of government to gain a political advantage. But you know that. Do you think this shouldn't have been minuted at the meeting and the council should have avoided questions from the press? "No change there then" some joker will say, but you can't be serious if you think this should have been covered up, especially after fighting to get another council to release a report. I'm really not sure what you're getting upset about, this looks like it was released to the media in March.
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Apr 30 2015, 06:55 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Apr 30 2015, 07:28 PM) Do you think this shouldn't have been minuted at the meeting and the council should have avoided questions from the press? "No change there then" some joker will say, but you can't be serious if you think this should have been covered up, especially after fighting to get another council to release a report. I'm really not sure what you're getting upset about, this looks like it was released to the media in March. Rather then me quote it, why not visit this link to understand more about how purdah operates. No, I don't expect anything to be covered up, but I do expect our local councils to respect purdah, and in the present case they could simply have delayed the agenda item until after the election. A useful extract from the good practice code here: QUOTE Care during periods of heightened sensitivity 33. Local authorities should pay particular regard to the legislation governing publicity during the period of heightened sensitivity before elections and referendums – see paragraphs 7 to 9 of this code. It may be necessary to suspend the hosting of material produced by third parties, or to close public forums during this period to avoid breaching any legal restrictions. 34. During the period between the notice of an election and the election itself, local authorities should not publish any publicity on controversial issues or report views or proposals in such a way that identifies them with any individual members or groups of members. Publicity relating to individuals involved directly in the election should not be published by local authorities during this period unless expressly authorised by or under statute. It is permissible for local authorities to publish factual information which identifies the names, wards and parties of candidates at elections. 35. In general, local authorities should not issue any publicity which seeks to influence voters. However this general principle is subject to any statutory provision which authorises expenditure being incurred on the publication of material designed to influence the public as to whether to support or oppose a question put at a referendum. It is acceptable to publish material relating to the subject matter of a referendum, for example to correct any factual inaccuracies which have appeared in publicity produced by third parties, so long as this is even-handed and objective and does not support or oppose any of the options which are the subject of the vote. Contrast that with NTC's press release and I think you'll see how JSH's partisan and stilted defence of his party's administration in the guise of a council press release is problematic: QUOTE Councillor Julian Swift Hook, Leader of Newbury Town Council, said, “The Council had sought to keep the documents confidential to avoid jeopardising its hardfought legal case, but we are of course doing what is now required of us, and we are doing it without delay. “What is clear from the reports is that they support our claim that the substantial dewatering of the Parkway site, which started in September 2009, is the most likely explanation for the damage caused to Victoria Park during 2010.” “It is not the fault of the Town Council or the town’s residents that the Park was so badly damaged, and we are fighting very hard to make sure that the town doesn’t have to pay out the hundreds of thousands of pounds that it will cost to put the Park right. “The Town Council is absolutely committed to bringing the Park back to its former glory, and is absolutely committed to ensuring that those responsible for the damage are the ones who foot the bill.”
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Apr 30 2015, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 30 2015, 07:55 PM) Rather then me quote it, why not visit this link to understand more about how purdah operates. No, I don't expect anything to be covered up, but I do expect our local councils to respect purdah, and in the present case they could simply have delayed the agenda item until after the election. As I said, this was released in March so I don't know why you're getting so upset about it. If the NWN want to report it again it at a later date, then that's up to them.
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Apr 30 2015, 07:17 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Apr 30 2015, 07:59 PM) As I said, this was released in March so I don't know why you're getting so upset about it. If the NWN want to report it again it at a later date, then that's up to them. Interesting that. I wonder why the NWN would publish again a story that they have already covered. On the JSH CrackGate press release the guidance would appear to be very clear. QUOTE you should not use councillors in press releases and events in pre-election periods. In such cases you should stop or defer them. An example might be a campaign on an issue which has been subject of local political debate and/or disagreement.
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 30 2015, 08:17 PM) Interesting that. I wonder why the NWN would publish again a story that they have already covered. They do this from time to time, presumably when they're a bit short of news.
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Apr 30 2015, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Apr 30 2015, 08:28 PM) They do this from time to time, presumably when they're a bit short of news. Fair enough. What about the NTC missive - banged to rights?
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