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Information Tribunal orders NTC to Publish Cracks Reports, NTC orderd to publish hydrogeological reports by 2 May |
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Apr 16 2015, 04:55 PM
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LinkyThe Information Tribunal has ruled that the public have a right to see the hydrogeological reports and NTC have been given until the 2nd of May to publish them. After all the public talk about not being able to publish because of a "confidentiality agreement" the Council didn't even argue that point with the Information Tribunal and instead assert litigation privilege in the reports. However, the Tribunal agreed with the appeal and found that the reports were not legally privileged, but went further and said that even if they had been the public interests would still have been string enough to override any objection to publication. It should never have taken this much effort to see the reports - and the Council might yet ask leave to appeal the judgment which will delay publication until after the election - but point is the Council should have been open about the reports from the off, and then there would have been much less cynicism about the sense of pursuing the claim. As it is it'll be interesting to see if the reports do indeed support a four and a half year dispute.
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 21 2015, 04:29 PM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) I'm not sure if I have misunderstood the judgement, but it seems to say that any CA was not obtained through legal means. When the request to see the CA was it submitted, was it supplied? All I have seen is an email that referenced an agreement. That e-mail was it. Can you quote the bit of the judgment where you say it says the CA wasn't obtained through legal means - that's not how I'm reading it. There are several exceptions to the duty to disclose under the Environmental Information Regulations and one of those exceptions is for information provided in confidence: "a public authority may refuse to disclose information to the extent that its disclosure would adversely affect ... the confidentiality of commercial or industrial information where such confidentiality is provided by law to protect a legitimate economic interest;" The Council didn't rely on that exception before the Tribunal. It would appear that they tried to make that argument late in the day in a private submission to the Tribunal but the Tribunal rejected it because they would have had to have asked for permission to introduce a new argument so late into the proceedings and they didn't have the courtesy to do that, and because the made the argument in a secret submission to the Tribunal when there was nothing sensitive to protect which simply denied the appellant the opportunity to challenge it. The Tribunal didn't need to consider the Council's submission, but it did anyway and found that the CA wasn't protecting any economic interest of Costains - I'm curious to know quite why Costain would want the data it supplied to the Council kept secret - it's entirely possible that they couldn't actually give a stuff and that NTC had written to them asking for them to impose just such a condition - they could blame Costain for not publishing the reports but it was NTC's choice all along. That last bit is manifestly true because NTC asserted (non-existent) litigation privilege in the reports in order to try and keep they secret, but who initiated the CA is anyone's guess. NTC should have a record of that discussion, but can you be bothered to wait another 16 months to see it? QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 21 2015, 04:29 PM) ![*](style_images/NWN/post_snapback.gif) As have said before, I simply don't understand why the council have done what they have appeared to have done. They could have said the evidence is weak for the de-watering to be the problem and that would have been that. I do remember at the time though that they said that one of the early investigations needed more information that was needed from the developer. Perhaps the developer's information is damning, but the council are embarrassed about their strategy of obtaining inadmissible evidence. Perhaps that was a mistake by an individual they wish to conceal? Yes, that's one of the possibilities that occurs to me.
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Simon Kirby Information Tribunal orders NTC to Publish Cracks Reports Apr 16 2015, 04:55 PM Andy Capp Update: I see that the tribunal seem to believe in... Apr 16 2015, 07:35 PM Turin Machine QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 16 2015, 08:35 PM)... Apr 16 2015, 11:01 PM On the edge Now map this against all the public pronouncements... Apr 17 2015, 06:03 AM Andy Capp From the evidence above, we have a 'rotten par... Apr 17 2015, 08:18 AM Berkshirelad i've been doorstepped by a candidate for elect... Apr 17 2015, 08:14 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) NWNREADER QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Apr 17 2015, 09:14 ... Apr 17 2015, 08:23 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Apr 17 2015, 09:14 ... Apr 17 2015, 08:34 PM On the edge I couldn't agree more and to think I was one o... Apr 17 2015, 09:36 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Andy Capp QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 17 2015, 10:36 P... Apr 17 2015, 09:46 PM Cognosco When the history of all this is reviewed the quest... Apr 18 2015, 09:42 AM gel Transparency
Perhaps the Gov't Minister tha... Apr 18 2015, 03:56 PM On the edge Yes, it is quite an eye opener; this little Counci... Apr 18 2015, 04:41 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 18 2015, 05:41 P... Apr 18 2015, 05:24 PM Petra Dear all,
I disagree with The Information Tribuna... Apr 20 2015, 06:15 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Turin Machine QUOTE (Petra @ Apr 20 2015, 07:15 PM) Dea... Apr 20 2015, 06:30 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Andy Capp QUOTE (Petra @ Apr 20 2015, 07:15 PM) Dea... Apr 20 2015, 06:56 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Petra QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 20 2015, 06:56 PM)... Apr 21 2015, 07:36 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Andy Capp QUOTE (Petra @ Apr 21 2015, 08:36 PM) 1. ... Apr 21 2015, 07:50 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Petra QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 21 2015, 07:50 PM)... Apr 22 2015, 06:20 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Andy Capp QUOTE (Petra @ Apr 22 2015, 07:20 PM) 1. ... Apr 22 2015, 06:48 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Petra QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 22 2015, 06:48 PM)... Apr 23 2015, 06:40 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Andy Capp QUOTE (Petra @ Apr 23 2015, 07:40 PM) Dea... Apr 23 2015, 09:52 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Andy Capp Interesting that JSH said they didn't want to ... Apr 24 2015, 12:02 AM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) MontyPython QUOTE (Petra @ Apr 23 2015, 06:40 PM) Dea... Apr 24 2015, 02:12 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Cognosco QUOTE (MontyPython @ Apr 24 2015, 03:12 P... Apr 24 2015, 02:55 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Exhausted QUOTE (Petra @ Apr 21 2015, 08:36 PM) . 2... Apr 21 2015, 08:51 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Petra @ Apr 21 2015, 08:36 PM) Usu... Apr 21 2015, 09:03 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) On the edge QUOTE (Petra @ Apr 20 2015, 07:15 PM) Dea... Apr 20 2015, 09:17 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Andy Capp QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 20 2015, 10:17 P... Apr 20 2015, 10:50 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) On the edge QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 20 2015, 11:50 PM)... Apr 21 2015, 06:26 AM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) x2lls QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 21 2015, 07:26 A... Apr 21 2015, 03:24 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Exhausted QUOTE (Petra @ Apr 20 2015, 07:15 PM) All... Apr 21 2015, 04:05 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Cognosco QUOTE (Exhausted @ Apr 21 2015, 05:05 PM)... Apr 21 2015, 05:05 PM Cognosco Petra
"That is why we have PMs and Councillo... Apr 20 2015, 07:17 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Petra QUOTE (Cognosco @ Apr 20 2015, 07:17 PM) ... Apr 21 2015, 07:37 PM Simon Kirby I understand from Charlie Farrow that at the Town ... Apr 20 2015, 07:35 PM Andy Capp Here's the rub: "...it is very hard to un... Apr 20 2015, 07:38 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 20 2015, 08:38 PM)... Apr 20 2015, 08:14 PM Andy Capp So the only practical reason why the council would... Apr 20 2015, 08:51 PM Andy Capp The thing is, mankind has got where he is today be... Apr 21 2015, 11:14 AM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 21 2015, 12:14 PM)... Apr 21 2015, 01:18 PM Cognosco That tribunal had better watch out the Council may... Apr 21 2015, 03:18 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Andy Capp QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 21 2015, 06:59 P... Apr 22 2015, 01:53 AM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 22 2015, 02:53 AM)... Apr 22 2015, 06:52 AM Simon Kirby NTC publish the hydrogeologicalreports: http://www... Apr 22 2015, 02:04 PM Strafin Wow, great work Simon! Apr 22 2015, 04:43 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Strafin @ Apr 22 2015, 05:43 PM) W... Apr 22 2015, 07:36 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Cognosco QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 22 2015, 08:36 P... Apr 22 2015, 07:56 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Strafin QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 22 2015, 08:36 P... Apr 23 2015, 06:58 AM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Turin Machine QUOTE (Strafin @ Apr 23 2015, 07:58 AM) P... Apr 23 2015, 09:35 AM Andy Capp I don't understand it. Apr 22 2015, 05:56 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Cognosco QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 22 2015, 06:56 PM)... Apr 22 2015, 06:02 PM Andy Capp LOL - Have you read it yet Simon; what does it mea... Apr 22 2015, 05:56 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 22 2015, 06:56 PM)... Apr 22 2015, 08:41 PM Andy Capp On a more serious note: now what? we are left wit... Apr 22 2015, 07:14 PM Exhausted Both the report and the addendum which have now be... Apr 22 2015, 07:42 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Exhausted @ Apr 22 2015, 08:42 PM)... Apr 22 2015, 08:23 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Andy Capp QUOTE (Exhausted @ Apr 22 2015, 08:42 PM)... Apr 22 2015, 09:03 PM Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera Congratulations goes to Simon Kirby and Mark Knigh... Apr 23 2015, 09:53 AM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) GMR QUOTE (Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera @ Apr 23 2... Apr 23 2015, 02:44 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Cognosco QUOTE (Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera @ Apr 23 2... Apr 23 2015, 05:32 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera @ Apr 23 2... Apr 23 2015, 08:53 PM Nothing Much I only pass by for a yearly Newt....
My vote is fo... Apr 23 2015, 10:31 AM Nothing Much I think..SOLACE. has a lot to answer for.
ce Apr 23 2015, 10:53 AM Nothing Much And MM as well Apr 23 2015, 12:55 PM NWNREADER Is Petra related to Pauline? Apr 23 2015, 02:47 PM On the edge Thanks Ruwan! Just for the avoidance of doubt... Apr 23 2015, 05:58 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 23 2015, 06:58 P... Apr 23 2015, 08:54 PM Exhausted For those of you who have read the report, has any... Apr 23 2015, 07:05 PM J C You've got my vote OtE! As would you Simon... Apr 23 2015, 09:34 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (J C @ Apr 23 2015, 10:34 PM) You... Apr 23 2015, 10:01 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) On the edge QUOTE (J C @ Apr 23 2015, 10:34 PM) You... Apr 24 2015, 06:20 AM Andy Capp Sadly the electorate are sheep, so I would be surp... Apr 23 2015, 10:02 PM Andy Capp Would someone clarify if all this stuff is incumbe... Apr 23 2015, 10:42 PM Andy Capp It saves talking on-topic. I have no idea where t... Apr 24 2015, 04:30 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 24 2015, 05:30 PM)... Apr 24 2015, 05:27 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Lolly QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 24 2015, 04:30 PM)... Apr 24 2015, 05:46 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) On the edge QUOTE (Lolly @ Apr 24 2015, 06:46 PM) Any... Apr 24 2015, 06:30 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Cognosco QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 24 2015, 07:30 P... Apr 24 2015, 06:42 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (Lolly @ Apr 24 2015, 06:46 PM) Any... Apr 24 2015, 07:21 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) On the edge QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 24 2015, 05:30 PM)... Apr 24 2015, 06:27 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Andy Capp QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 24 2015, 07:27 P... Apr 24 2015, 08:01 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) On the edge QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 24 2015, 09:01 PM)... Apr 24 2015, 09:01 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Andy Capp QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 24 2015, 10:01 P... Apr 24 2015, 09:14 PM MontyPython Petra's posts remind me of the "Bag Lady... Apr 24 2015, 04:46 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) GMR QUOTE (MontyPython @ Apr 24 2015, 05:46 P... Apr 24 2015, 04:59 PM Simon Kirby Let me play Devil's Advocate here:
Consider t... Apr 24 2015, 10:03 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Andy Capp QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 24 2015, 11:03 P... Apr 24 2015, 10:31 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) blackdog QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 24 2015, 11:03 P... Apr 25 2015, 07:56 AM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) Cognosco QUOTE (blackdog @ Apr 25 2015, 07:56 AM) ... Apr 25 2015, 12:48 PM blackdog Okay, I'm considering it - and wondering when ... Apr 24 2015, 10:08 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Simon Kirby QUOTE (blackdog @ Apr 24 2015, 11:08 PM) ... Apr 24 2015, 10:22 PM MontyPython OK lets take a hypothetical case.
I want to de-wa... Apr 24 2015, 11:10 PM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) Andy Capp I guess insurance covers it assuming all work was ... Apr 25 2015, 12:06 AM![|](style_images/NWN/to_down_pipe.gif) ![](style_images/NWN/spacer.gif) On the edge QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 25 2015, 01:06 AM)... Apr 25 2015, 05:58 AM Exhausted I believe that the barometer for the whole process... Apr 25 2015, 02:39 PM On the edge So in view of all that it's hardly surprising ... Apr 25 2015, 03:21 PM
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