UKIP: racists? Options

[GMR]

On another thread, Motormouth said, "If I WERE to Vote, I'd vote UKIP.Not because I'm a racist prick but ..." etc

Why do people accuse UKIP of being racist because they want control over who comes here, when I would say that the EU is actually racist. UKIP's policies want those that will work, from all over the world, not just the EU (which will include the Good, Bad and the Ugly).

Before anybody says it, I know it is down to individual countries who decide who comes into their country, however, with the pressure from the people of those countries (to their governments) about the flood of immigrants their only options would be to stop those from outside the EU. This would include African, Asia, Americas, and Australia. The EU is basically white and only about 4% are black (I read those figures a few years ago). Therefore, the combined policy of outside immigration could curtail Black or Asians from coming into the EU. I would say this was racist and wrong. UKIPs policy concerning immigration/ compared to EU's creates more diversity and racial/ ethnicity than the EU's policy (or individual countries) have. EU's eventual - combined - policies over immigration could dilute certain ethnicities from the EU.




Thoughts.

[Andy Capp]

To me, flags have the same impact as religion; tear them down, they are an anachronism and not necessary.

[Petra]

To me, flags have the same impact as religion; tear them down, they are an anachronism and not necessary.

Mr Capp,

There is only on flag that is important in the 21st Century and that is the European Union Flag (at least in Europe) that represents those that are dedicated to building a future for all, and not just the few.

Yours,

Petra

[newres]

Mr Capp,

There is only on flag that is important in the 21st Century and that is the European Union Flag (at least in Europe) that represents those that are dedicated to building a future for all, and not just the few.

Yours,

Petra

WOW! I actually agree with that!

[Andy Capp]

WOW! I actually agree with that!

Shame though that is is cobblers.

[GMR]

Shame though that is is cobblers.

Is it? We are going down the road where the European flag supersedes our own.

[Simon Kirby]

Is it? We are going down the road where the European flag supersedes our own.

In point of fact it's the flag of the Council of Europe, the European Union simply co-opted it - those 12 stars, they're the 12 founding nations and one of those is Blighty. The flag is used to represent all European peoples irrespective of their membership of the EU - take the Ryder Cup for example:

[GMR]

In point of fact it's the flag of the Council of Europe, the European Union simply co-opted it - those 12 stars, they're the 12 founding nations and one of those is Blighty. The flag is used to represent all European peoples irrespective of their membership of the EU - take the Ryder Cup for example:

Britain wasn't a founding father. Besides, it doesn't change what I said.

[user23]

Britain wasn't a founding father. Besides, it doesn't change what I said.

Britain was a founder member of the Council of Europe.

[GMR]

Britain was a founder member of the Council of Europe.

The ECSC was created first. Following its proposal in 1950 in the Schuman Declaration, Belgium, France, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and West Germany came together to sign the Treaty of Paris in 1951 which established the Community. Which I was referring to. Britain joined later (in the 70s), not before France tried to stop them joining.

[user23]

The ECSC was created first. Following its proposal in 1950 in the Schuman Declaration, Belgium, France, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and West Germany came together to sign the Treaty of Paris in 1951 which established the Community. Which I was referring to. Britain joined later (in the 70s), not before France tried to stop them joining.

It says in that link on Wikipedia:

The Council of Europe was founded on 5 May 1949 by the Treaty of London. The Treaty of London or the Statute of the Council of Europe was signed in London on that day by ten states: Belgium, Denmark, France, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden and the United Kingdom.

Are you saying that's incorrect?

[GMR]

It says in that link on Wikipedia:Are you saying that's incorrect?

Are you saying what I said is incorrect?

[Simon Kirby]

Are you saying what I said is incorrect?

You're confusing the Council of Europe which the United Kingdom jointly created in 1949 with the signing of the Treaty of London with the European Union as is, or the European Economic Community as it was when Britain joined in 1973. The flag that you were complaining about is the flag of the Council of Europe which has been co-opted by the European Union. The European Declaration of Human Rights was also a creation of the Council of Europe and UK law has been subject to the Convention and within the jurisprudence of the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg since Blighty signed in 1951.