Corbyn, Quoting Shelley.. Options

[TallDarkAndHands...]

"Stand ye calm and resolute,
Like a forest close and mute,
With folded arms and looks which are
Weapons of unvanquished war.
And if then the tyrants dare,
Let them ride among you there;
Slash, and stab, and maim and hew;
What they like, that let them do.
With folded arms and steady eyes,
And little fear, and less surprise,
Look upon them as they slay,
Till their rage has died away:
Then they will return with shame,
To the place from which they came,
And the blood thus shed will speak
In hot blushes on their cheek:
Rise, like lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number!
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you:
Ye are many—they are few!"
Shelley

Not sure what to make of that!
Is it a call to arms to overthrow the government "rise like lions" or a pacifist saying you can kill us all and we will just take it? 😮

[Turin Machine]

"Stand ye calm and resolute,
Like a forest close and mute,
With folded arms and looks which are
Weapons of unvanquished war.
And if then the tyrants dare,
Let them ride among you there;
Slash, and stab, and maim and hew;
What they like, that let them do.
With folded arms and steady eyes,
And little fear, and less surprise,
Look upon them as they slay,
Till their rage has died away:
Then they will return with shame,
To the place from which they came,
And the blood thus shed will speak
In hot blushes on their cheek:
Rise, like lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number!
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you:
Ye are many—they are few!"
Shelley

Not sure what to make of that!
Is it a call to arms to overthrow the government "rise like lions" or a pacifist saying you can kill us all and we will just take it? 😮

Been on the old mushrooms, pretentious ****.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Been on the old mushrooms, pretentious ****.

The real irony is that the poor could never afford to go to Glasto..

Sell out.

[Turin Machine]

The real irony is that the poor could never afford to go to Glasto..

Sell out.

Yeah, he's gone 'mainstream', liked some of his early stuff but just too populist to be cool now. Old news.

[Simon Kirby]

"Stand ye calm and resolute...

Not sure what to make of that!
Is it a call to arms to overthrow the government "rise like lions" or a pacifist saying you can kill us all and we will just take it? 😮

It's neither TDH. Shelley wrote this after the Peterloo massacre and it supports non-violent resistence to injustice.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

It's neither TDH. Shelley wrote this after the Peterloo massacre and it supports non-violent resistence to injustice.

Yep. Run us over. Blow us up. And we'll ask you to please stop...

[newres]

"Stand ye calm and resolute,
Like a forest close and mute,
With folded arms and looks which are
Weapons of unvanquished war.
And if then the tyrants dare,
Let them ride among you there;
Slash, and stab, and maim and hew;
What they like, that let them do.
With folded arms and steady eyes,
And little fear, and less surprise,
Look upon them as they slay,
Till their rage has died away:
Then they will return with shame,
To the place from which they came,
And the blood thus shed will speak
In hot blushes on their cheek:
Rise, like lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number!
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you:
Ye are many—they are few!"
Shelley

Not sure what to make of that!
Is it a call to arms to overthrow the government "rise like lions" or a pacifist saying you can kill us all and we will just take it? 😮

I think it's a very powerful poem. Thanks for sharing.

[Simon Kirby]

Yep. Run us over. Blow us up. And we'll ask you to please stop...

Certainly there is a subtlety to nonviolent civil disobedience, but the alternatives are either to accept tyrrany or take up arms, and I have the deepest admiration for people brave enough to take a stand without adopting violence - it's always the tyrants that get bronze statues in the high street while the martyrs get forgotten, but the justice and dignity of their protest can't be ignored.

[SirWilliam]

Interesting how we "adopt" a piece of literature to fit our present environment. No one can argue for the heavy-handed response to what was basically a voicing for a political change in a time that pen and paper were still the preserve of the privileged, but as the reform act ( 1832) was not presented for a further 13 years and not implemented till 1867 one needs to question the wisdom of putting one's life in jeopardy for the sake of a principal . Unfortunately, we do not know how much of the demonstration was orchestrated by outside influence or just a part of society who were at the bottom of the heap.
The Masque of Anarchy was not published for another 30 years so very doubtful that any of those who suffered in Manchester ever got to hear the work. Shelley himself was ostracised for being an atheist as opposed to a mouthpiece for the masses.
To be fair to Corbyn he is not the first politician to use other's works to hammer home their point of view, but I very much doubt he would stand at the front of his supporters if a sabre waving cavalry approached with malice intent.

[Turin Machine]

Our armed forces are used for disaster relief and anti drug, anti slavery, anti people smuggling and anti pirate operations as well. Helping the poorest and the most vulnerable around the world.
Idealism meets reality.

[je suis Charlie]

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice, — is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other.”
― John Stuart Mill, Principles of Political Economy

[SirWilliam]

Violence is a very base response to something we object too. It is an intrinsic trait in all animals to fight when faced with an adversary that poses a threat to our lives or those close to us. The debate centres around should we stand against the tyrant or allow them free reign to impose upon our lives? Do we take up arms and fight in the knowledge that the outcome may not be in our favour or accept our lot?

The real problem is the rise of those who would do us harm. Nationalism breeds a collective voice that feeds upon our fears which in turn throws up leaders that exploit the rhetoric. J C, ( the present one ) may well have pacifist views but this does not mean he is weak as a leader, but neither does it send a positive message to those that would do us harm.

With a global population explosion, the pressure on maintaining the peace is a precarious balancing act and only history will show at what point in time the wrong decision was made.

[Andy Capp]

Certainly there is a subtlety to nonviolent civil disobedience, but the alternatives are either to accept tyrrany or take up arms, and I have the deepest admiration for people brave enough to take a stand without adopting violence - it's always the tyrants that get bronze statues in the high street while the martyrs get forgotten,

Or awarded a commemorative plaque outside a former school building.

[On the edge]

'First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.' Ghandi seems to be predicting that Jeremy doesn't have too far to go.

[je suis Charlie]

'First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.' Ghandi seems to be predicting that Jeremy doesn't have too far to go.

And they shot Ghandi.

[On the edge]

And they shot Ghandi.

Yes, fear of violent response didn't ever worry Ghandi, and on his past record, like it or not Corbyn is certainly no coward when push comes to shove. One thing I do hope je suis, is that your Tory friends and colleagues don't resort to physical force just because they start to lose.

[je suis Charlie]

Yes, fear of violent response didn't ever worry Ghandi, and on his past record, like it or not Corbyn is certainly no coward when push comes to shove. One thing I do hope je suis, is that your Tory friends and colleagues don't resort to physical force just because they start to lose.

You mean take a leaf out of the lefty activists book of thuggery?

[je suis Charlie]

I'm sure I can get a few busloads of activists with badly spelt placards together, you know, give as ye so shall receive. I've already got a job lot of pickaxe handles coming in for my other 'arbitration' project.

[On the edge]

You mean take a leaf out of the lefty activists book of thuggery?

Just following our peers dearest. History was never a strong point at 'selective' grammars was it!

[SirWilliam]

And they shot Ghandi.

And that is just the point. Dead heroes may well be ideal role models for others but I would rather be alive under a dictator than be cannon fodder for a cause. Ok cowards hardly make their mark in the grand scheme of things but death eventually visits us all and I would like to get my 3 score years and 10................Actually, come to think about it I am on borrowed time so please comment quickly.

[je suis Charlie]

Just following our peers dearest. History was never a strong point at 'selective' grammars was it!

But, I have no peer 🤗

[blackdog]

But, I have no peer 🤗

Thank God!

[Andy Capp]

Didn't mix well.

[je suis Charlie]

Didn't mix well.

Been using Anusol to brush your teeth again ?

[Turin Machine]

But, I have no peer 🤗

You are indeed sir, without peer 😍

[Andy Capp]

You are indeed sir, without peer 😍

Love Is In The Air

[je suis Charlie]

Didn't mix well.

Says Billy (calls people racist) no mates

[Andy Capp]

Says Billy (calls people racist) no mates

That s right; I find playground ignorance tiresome.

[On the edge]

That s right; I find playground ignorance tiresome.

Take heart, 'If they attack you personally, it means they have not a single political argument left' as Mrs Thatcher once said. It was her supporters who pulled her down; Tories don't ever seem to learn!

[je suis Charlie]

Take heart, 'If they attack you personally, it means they have not a single political argument left' as Mrs Thatcher once said. It was her supporters who pulled her down; Tories don't ever seem to learn!

Which is why he resorted to flinging the racist jibe around. The last resort of the inept and morally bankrupt is to simply call everyone you disagree with either racist or Nazi.

[SirWilliam]

Surely the whole point of any forum is either to argue your cause or disagree with the views of others. Once it degenerates into personal attacks, ( however justified ), the impetus is lost.
Only a complete bigot would consider himself to hold views beyond question or be man enough to accept that the other party may just be right.

Not many politicians signing up to this philosophy.

[Andy Capp]

Which is why he resorted to flinging the racist jibe around. The last resort of the inept and morally bankrupt is to simply call everyone you disagree with either racist or Nazi.

The irony....

[Andy Capp]

Surely the whole point of any forum is either to argue your cause or disagree with the views of others. Once it degenerates into personal attacks, ( however justified ), the impetus is lost.
Only a complete bigot would consider himself to hold views beyond question or be man enough to accept that the other party may just be right.

In an ideal world that might be true, but I think a lot of forums and social networking sites are full of egotist with not much to share other than ignorance or bigotry and these people seek out like minded people to help support their views. If true the chances of a meaningful debate are small.

[je suis Charlie]

In an ideal world that might be true, but I think a lot of forums and social networking sites are full of egotist with not much to share other than ignorance or bigotry and these people seek out like minded people to help support their views. If true the chances of a meaningful debate are small.

Unless you like calling people racist.

[je suis Charlie]

The irony....

That, isnt irony. get a grip.

[Andy Capp]

That, isnt irony. get a grip.

There is more than one type of irony, but it is ironic that you should appear to be so offended by a behaviour that underpins many if not most of the things you post here.

[Andy Capp]

Unless you like calling people racist.

While I believe a number of board members are racist (not necessarily always above the national average), is there any particular incidence you have in mind?

[Turin Machine]

There is more than one type of irony.

Irony. The expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
Or, A state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often wryly amusing as a result.

To which 'type' were you alluding to?

[Andy Capp]

Irony. The expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
Or, A state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often wryly amusing as a result.

To which 'type' were you alluding to?

One wouldn't expect someone who complains about someone else being a certain way, is themselves a model example of that they complain of.

[Turin Machine]

One would expect someone who complains about someone else being a certain way, is themselves a model example of that they complain of.

But, that's not irony, is it?

[Andy Capp]

But, that's not irony, is it?

I believe it is because you would expect someone that complains of people who are quick to throw abuse at another when they are at a loss of things to say, not to be guilty of doing the same thing themselves.

PS - I corrected a typo in my last post.

[Biker1]

Surely the whole point of any forum is either to argue your cause or disagree with the views of others. Once it degenerates into personal attacks, ( however justified ), the impetus is lost.
Only a complete bigot would consider himself to hold views beyond question or be man enough to accept that the other party may just be right.

So correct Sir!!
Good luck with that on here, although it is considerably better than many other forums and streets ahead of the "social media" rabble!

[SirWilliam]

So correct Sir!!
Good luck with that on here, although it is considerably better than many other forums and streets ahead of the "social media" rabble!

I would not know about other forums and know even less about the social media thingy that seems to rule the lives of so many.
Even the President of the most powerful country, ( supposedly ), on earth seems to consider that social media is a more adept means of relaying his message than actually standing in front of an audience.

What is very apparent is that the written word can not only be miss-construed but actually miss-read in order to fit the reader's criteria. Perhaps we should just revert to talking face to face?

[Andy Capp]

What is very apparent is that the written word can not only be miss-construed but actually miss-read in order to fit the reader's criteria. Perhaps we should just revert to talking face to face?

The later won't necessarily fix the former.

[SirWilliam]

The later won't necessarily fix the former.

Agreed.

[je suis Charlie]

https://youtu.be/i4_WuFTX-5E

[Andy Capp]

It looks like the left/rightists have ran-out of bickering!

[SirWilliam]

It looks like the left/rightists have ran-out of bickering!

Even the ambidextrous are quite.

[On the edge]

Britain’s wealth problem – we don’t create enough of it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40506570

As even the BBC have woken up and spotted the reason why, under its present regime, we are well and truly stuffed. In effect, what's been happening since 1979 has reached its logical conclusion.

So, it may well be that those threatening to go have done the decent thing and actually done so. Meaning we still have a chance to clear up the mess once the next election is out of the way.

[Andy Capp]

It says to me that we need a new economics. The one that has been served up hitherto is not sustainable. The global economy, cheap/subsidised fuel and fast Internet mean low wages. Low wages = low tax yields.

[x2lls]

It says to me that we need a new economics. The one that has been served up hitherto is not sustainable. The global economy, cheap/subsidised fuel and fast Internet mean low wages. Low wages = low tax yields.

Exasperated by more reliance on the (reducing) return.

[je suis Charlie]

Britain’s wealth problem – we don’t create enough of it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40506570

As even the BBC have woken up and spotted the reason why, under its present regime, we are well and truly stuffed. In effect, what's been happening since 1979 has reached its logical conclusion.

So, it may well be that those threatening to go have done the decent thing and actually done so. Meaning we still have a chance to clear up the mess once the next election is out of the way.

You mean those whose pockets you want to pick to pay for your garden of Eden, gone and taken their taxable income with them! Yup, the decent thing.

[je suis Charlie]

Even the ambidextrous are quite.

Quite what?

[SirWilliam]

Quite what?

Wrong ?......

Not sure who I despise the most , those who proofread every comment or the bloody spellchecker that treats me like an imbecile.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Hello from the Sunny Bahamas. Hows life in the sh1thole that is the UK? Has that nice Mr Corbyn been elected yet??

[je suis Charlie]

Hello from the Sunny Bahamas. Hows life in the sh1thole that is the UK? Has that nice Mr Corbyn been elected yet??

Nice, only two weeks to go and I'm off for three weeks in the Maldives! Yippee!

[On the edge]

Hello from the Sunny Bahamas. Hows life in the sh1thole that is the UK? Has that nice Mr Corbyn been elected yet??

Don't screw yourself up worrying about us, we'll be fine. Fretting about the minutia of UK politics suggests you want to come back!

[On the edge]

Nice, only two weeks to go and I'm off for three weeks in the Maldives! Yippee!

Just three weeks; come on you can do better than that.

[Andy Capp]

Hello from the Sunny Bahamas. Hows life in the sh1thole that is the UK? Has that nice Mr Corbyn been elected yet??

It's peacing in the Bahamas at the moment I understand.

[je suis Charlie]

Just three weeks; come on you can do better than that.

Yes I can. And it's a lot better than the fortnight in a boarding house in Bournemouth that will be the highlight of your little socialist life!

[je suis Charlie]

It's peacing in the Bahamas at the moment I understand.

Hmm, forehead and keyboard! Remember?

[On the edge]

Yes I can. And it's a lot better than the fortnight in a boarding house in Bournemouth that will be the highlight of your little socialist life!

That's what gets me about you Tories, run down the Country at the drop of a hat; even Dave Cameron managed to holiday in the UK and support our tourist industry!

[Andy Capp]

Yes I can. And it's a lot better than the fortnight in a boarding house in Bournemouth that will be the highlight of your little socialist life!

So long as you're all right, eh?

[je suis Charlie]

So long as you're all right, eh?

I'm fine mate! Better than fine actually.

[Andy Capp]

I'm fine mate! Better than fine actually.

Excellent!

[je suis Charlie]

Excellent!

Yup!

[je suis Charlie]

"Get on your knees *****" Ah good old momentum, the inclusive side of politics. The same momentum that rails against the rich but who's leader is, yup, filthy rich. Couldn't make it up.

[je suis Charlie]

" Hallam MP Nagar O'Mara (Labour) said he was deeply ashamed at his online history, unearthed by the Guido Fawkes website. The comments included jokes about having an orgy with members of Girls Aloud, a claim that Michelle McManus had only won Pop Idol “because she was fat”, and a suggestion it would be funny if the jazz star Jamie Cullum were “sodomised with his own piano”.

A candidate for the leadership maybe? Is there anyone Labour don't hate?

[newres]

" Hallam MP Nagar O'Mara (Labour) said he was deeply ashamed at his online history, unearthed by the Guido Fawkes website. The comments included jokes about having an orgy with members of Girls Aloud, a claim that Michelle McManus had only won Pop Idol “because she was fat”, and a suggestion it would be funny if the jazz star Jamie Cullum were “sodomised with his own piano”.

A candidate for the leadership maybe? Is there anyone Labour don't hate?

How old was he at the time? 2004 wasn't it? He looks like a child now! It's Jared isn't it?

And how is wanting to have sex with someone hate? Perhaps that's how it works for you.

[Andy Capp]

Recent scientific revelations allow me to better understand some people. So if we are to place ourselves on the moral high ground, we should feel sorry for some of the posters on this site! Especially Monster Raving Righties! 😋

[je suis Charlie]

Recent scientific revelations allow me to better understand some people. So if we are to place ourselves on the moral high ground, we should feel sorry for some of the posters on this site! Especially Monster Raving Righties! 😋

And for the gibbering Libtards.

[je suis Charlie]

How old was he at the time? 2004 wasn't it? He looks like a child now! It's Jared isn't it?

And how is wanting to have sex with someone hate? Perhaps that's how it works for you.

"Labour MP Jared O'Mara has quit the Commons equality committee over online homophobic comments he made before being elected to parliament.Mr O'Mara also made misogynistic remarks, joked about having an orgy with members ofGirls Aloud and posted degrading commentsabout fat people."

Hate crimes, certainly for anyone who isn't a leftie libtard anyways.

[Andy Capp]

It sounds like the libtards have hit a nerve! 😆

[je suis Charlie]

It sounds like the libtards have hit a nerve! 😆

Keep on gibbering, Libtard. Say it often enough and you might even start believing it!

[newres]

"Labour MP Jared O'Mara has quit the Commons equality committee over online homophobic comments he made before being elected to parliament.Mr O'Mara also made misogynistic remarks, joked about having an orgy with members ofGirls Aloud and posted degrading commentsabout fat people."

Hate crimes, certainly for anyone who isn't a leftie libtard anyways.

Well you’d call me a liberal, but I’m not terribly PC I’m afraid. Even so, I’d hate to be judged now for some of the things I did and said in my 40s, much less my 20s. It’s a bit desperate and compared to Boris Johnson he is a saint.

[je suis Charlie]

If he was a "swivel eyed loon" the knives would be out by now though. And at a time when looking at someone 'in a funny way' is considered hate crime by the left it hardly matters if he was 'only' in his twenties does it. Most of the Hitler youth were younger than that, wouldn't say they were all innocent would you? Different standards for different political parties.

[SirWilliam]

Saint or sinner dependant on one's own political leaning seems to summarise the debacle . We all change our views as we age but those who spout personal vitriol at any time in their pathetic lives should be precluded from a position of public service . The worrying aspect is that element of the electorate that supports such rhetoric .

[newres]

If he was a "swivel eyed loon" the knives would be out by now though. And at a time when looking at someone 'in a funny way' is considered hate crime by the left it hardly matters if he was 'only' in his twenties does it. Most of the Hitler youth were younger than that, wouldn't say they were all innocent would you? Different standards for different political parties.

Are you comparing a couple of daft social media comments with mass extermination of the Jews? I seriously think you need to get a grip old man!

It's not even on a par with Darius?Boris affair.

[je suis Charlie]

Are you comparing a couple of daft social media comments with mass extermination of the Jews? I seriously think you need to get a grip old man!

It's not even on a par with Darius?Boris affair.

It's a hate crime, pure, simple, and should be viewed as such not as some youthful peccadillo by an errant schoolboy. And what has saint Jeremy said? Nowt, that's what. Utter and total hypocrisy. As expected.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

It's a hate crime, pure, simple, and should be viewed as such not as some youthful peccadillo by an errant schoolboy. And what has saint Jeremy said? Nowt, that's what. Utter and total hypocrisy. As expected.

Tories = Evil
Labour = Saint Corbyn of Islington
Brexiteers = Idiots and Bigots
Remainers = Intelligent multi-cultural inclusive beacons of humanity

Its quite easy in Libtard world. No greys. Only good and evil.😂

Barking mad.

[je suis Charlie]

Woof woof!

[TallDarkAndHands...]

It's a hate crime, pure, simple, and should be viewed as such not as some youthful peccadillo by an errant schoolboy. And what has saint Jeremy said? Nowt, that's what. Utter and total hypocrisy. As expected.

A bit like the all the codemnation Im hearing from Herr Juncker and co on the Police brutality in Catalonia.... Waits for tumbleweed to blow past....

Even Putin is criticising the EU on it!😂

[Andy Capp]

Er, he is guilty and has been condemned - by all sides - so I don’t know what the swivle eyeds are on about.

[je suis Charlie]

Er, he is guilty and has been condemned - by all sides - so I don’t know what the swivle eyeds are on about.

Oh, and it's Swivel! If you're going to try to insult your betters, at least try a bit harder. There's a good boy.

[Andy1]

Oh, and it's Swivel! If you're going to try to insult your betters, at least try a bit harder. There's a good boy.

No wonder the post updates are few and far between on this forum

[TallDarkAndHands...]

No wonder the post updates are few and far between on this forum

😂😂😂 Been more posts in the last 2 days than the laat 3 months. The board woukd be dead completely without me and jesuis. No one else has anything remotely challenging to say. Apart from the usual libtard pc bull.

[Andy Capp]

Oh, and it's Swivel! If you're going to try to insult your betters, at least try a bit harder. There's a good boy.

Sorry mum.

[newres]

Sorry mum.

Don’t be sorry. It’s science.

[je suis Charlie]

Don’t be sorry. It’s science.

Flat Earth science. As practiced by the church of Saint Libtard the genetically weak.

[SirWilliam]

Tories = Evil
Labour = Saint Corbyn of Islington
Brexiteers = Idiots and Bigots
Remainers = Intelligent multi-cultural inclusive beacons of humanity

Its quite easy in Libtard world. No greys. Only good and evil.😂

Barking mad.

" Woof woof ". In the interest of multiculturalism everyone should learn a foreign language .

[The Hatter]

No wonder the post updates are few and far between on this forum

Won't last long, probably Auditors in and they've been told to 'work from home' for a few days!

[Andy Capp]

Tories = Evil
Labour = Saint Corbyn of Islington
Brexiteers = Idiots and Bigots
Remainers = Intelligent multi-cultural inclusive beacons of humanity

Its quite easy in Libtard world. No greys. Only good and evil.😂

Barking mad.

I think binary opinions exist on both sides; however, I note people are also quick to make it up when facts aren’t available.

Jeremy Corbyn’s popularity is a reaction to the mean spirited Tory twaddle, but he is certainly no hero of mine.

[newres]

I think digital opinions exist on both sides; however, I note people are also quick to make it up when facts aren’t available.

Jeremy Corbyn’s popularity is a reaction to the mean spirited Tory twaddle, but he is certainly no hero of mine.

Nor mine but it keeps it simple for the scientifically proven dullards on here.

[je suis Charlie]

Nor mine but it keeps it simple for the scientifically proven dullards on here.

Duh! Said the genetically challenged Libtard remoaner.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Nor mine but it keeps it simple for the scientifically proven dullards on here.

Scientifically proven dullards? How about patriotic British nationals?And what group do you belong to? Brainwashed libtard Euromaniacs? I expect you have pictures of Tusk, Juncker and Verstofhadt on your bedroom ceiling and an EU flag fluttering outaide your house (next to the Corbyn poster). 💩

[newres]

Duh! Said the genetically challenged Libtard remoaner.

Don’t blame me. It’s science mate.

[Andy Capp]

Being right wing doesn’t seem to adversly effect their imagination!

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Being right wing doesn’t seem to adversly effect their imagination!

Thats because we can imagine life outside of the EU. Thats why we are business leaders and visionaries. And not 🐑 like you.

[je suis Charlie]

Don’t blame me. It’s science mate.

Yeah so was eugenics, totally science. I bet you still believe the sun goes round the earth..

[je suis Charlie]

Being right wing doesn’t seem to adversly effect their imagination!

Or left wing your stupidity.