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Dec 17 2016, 01:17 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 15 2016, 10:44 AM) From BBC News:
Unless that's Paris, Texas etc., I don't see the US involved here. Anyway, when Trump takes office he is going to actively promote more use of coal as a fuel, or so he says. He is hardly likely to "demonise" diesel - after all, it's produced by his oil baron friends. This all started when VW fudged a cheat code into the ecu software to pass emissions control in California, before that no one worried a jot. They may well "demonise" diesel, they always have. Their aim is to sell petrol, lots of it. Efficient diesel is not on the oil barons agenda mate.
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Dec 17 2016, 07:50 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Dec 17 2016, 07:12 PM) Gadzooks sirrah, thou speaketh most wisely! Trying to outdo Andy Capp here: speakest?
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Dec 17 2016, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Dec 17 2016, 01:17 PM) This all started when VW fudged a cheat code into the ecu software to pass emissions control in California, before that no one worried a jot. They may well "demonise" diesel, they always have. Their aim is to sell petrol, lots of it. Efficient diesel is not on the oil barons agenda mate. They actually need to balance petrol and diesel sales or we'll just end up with a massive store of unusable fuel. If you are looking for an American conspiracy, look at car manufacturers, Ford and GM certainly don't want VW.
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Dec 17 2016, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 17 2016, 08:50 PM) Trying to outdo Andy Capp here: speakest? Pah! A pox on your knavish tongue sirrah!
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Dec 19 2016, 11:16 AM
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QUOTE (Rdg @ Dec 19 2016, 10:14 AM) Hydrogen cars will compete with agriculture for Hydrogen as EVERY farm in the uk and I would guess europe uses Ammonia based fertilizers; that ammonia is made by reacting Nitrogen in the atmosphere with Hydrogen N2 + 3H2 => 2NH3, That sent me off to Google and this site because I thought Ammonia/Ammonium was NH4. According to that site, NH3 is a toxic gas, and is the unionised form of NH4. (Who'd have thought there was a union for ammonia? ) NH4 is a non-toxic salt and is the ionised form of ammonia. I'm guessing that it's NH4 that is used to make fertilisers, but I am happy to be corrected.
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Dec 19 2016, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 19 2016, 11:16 AM) That sent me off to Google and this site because I thought Ammonia/Ammonium was NH4. According to that site, NH3 is a toxic gas, and is the unionised form of NH4. (Who'd have thought there was a union for ammonia? ) NH4 is a non-toxic salt and is the ionised form of ammonia. I'm guessing that it's NH4 that is used to make fertilisers, but I am happy to be corrected. Surely Ammonia is NH 4 and Ammonium is NH 3. Ammonium is ionised and needs to bond to form anything stable (eg to H for Ammonia, or NO 3 for the fertiliser ammonium nitrate that is so useful for bomb making)
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Dec 20 2016, 07:34 AM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Dec 19 2016, 07:40 PM) Surely Ammonia is NH4 and Ammonium is NH3. Ammonium is ionised and needs to bond to form anything stable (eg to H for Ammonia, or NO3 for the fertiliser ammonium nitrate that is so useful for bomb making) Other way round. NH 3 is ammonia, NH 4+ is the ammonium ion.
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Dec 23 2016, 01:59 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Dec 23 2016, 10:25 AM) You can get your hydrogen car and build your wind farms but the general concencus is "if it inconveniences me then I don't give a ****!"Yes, you are quite right, but it's worth considering why. Climate change, fossil fuel depletion, damage by noxious gas and so on, just how true is the information we' ve been fed? Is it as true as what the railway CEO had just said about improving our railways over Christmas? Is it as true as the need for the next range of local government cuts and so on and on and on. Little wonder then, that 'the people' are now taking no notice at all. As certain economists are prone to point out, in the long term we are all dead. So then Biker, just enjoy what you may and have a happy Christmas in case there is a new year.
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Dec 23 2016, 04:25 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Dec 23 2016, 02:59 PM) Yes, you are quite right, but it's worth considering why. Climate change, fossil fuel depletion, damage by noxious gas and so on, just how true is the information we' ve been fed? Is it as true as what the railway CEO had just said about improving our railways over Christmas? Is it as true as the need for the next range of local government cuts and so on and on and on. Little wonder then, that 'the people' are now taking no notice at all. As certain economists are prone to point out, in the long term we are all dead. So then Biker, just enjoy what you may and have a happy Christmas in case there is a new year. Why worry? the next ice age will wipe us out anyway, as I always say, leave it to the youngsters to sort out, apparently they know everything so it makes sense.
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Dec 23 2016, 04:40 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Dec 23 2016, 04:25 PM) Why worry? the next ice age will wipe us out anyway, as I always say, leave it to the youngsters to sort out, apparently they know everything so it makes sense. Quite; and perhaps we will see an end to all this bikes is best, and five different dustbins nonsense.
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Jan 19 2017, 08:42 AM
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Just to ad more "doom and gloom" as they say into the discussion.... Here is a MUCH bigger threat to the future than the likes of a deluded wealthy businessman becoming leader of the free world. Something which seems to be largely ignored ............that is until it's too late! Electric cars? wind farms? Wast of time when our environment is being destroyed at it's current rate. (Oh and thanks OTE, had a good Christmas and my New Year has been reasonably happy so far! )
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