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> Commissioner Stansfield on the make (take?), Misuse of taxpayer money via sham
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post May 15 2013, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ May 14 2013, 10:06 PM) *
Called taking candy from kids in some places.

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But who is in the wrong? The over-indulged kid with too much candy or the scheming adult who takes it from him?
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post May 15 2013, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 12 2013, 09:55 AM) *
Assuming the story is true, and I'd like to think our news hungry local paper's hounds will be on to this one, don't blame the person, blame the sheep like idiots that vote for them.


I don't think the option of lets have no PCC was on the voting form. Had it been I believe the turn out would have been higher.

As it is it's another case of move on down the trough, rather appropriate given some peoples nickname for the police!
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post May 15 2013, 06:10 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ May 15 2013, 10:53 AM) *
'Commissioning services' is the big one - rising from £0 to £3.5million - WTF?

WTF is right. Is this what Dave's Big Society was meant to look like, because it looks just like the Big Fat State to me.


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post May 15 2013, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 15 2013, 02:09 PM) *
How do you come to that conclusion?


Well, clearly he has so much wisdom and vision.........



(not)
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post May 16 2013, 12:54 AM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ May 15 2013, 11:21 PM) *
Well, clearly he has so much wisdom and vision.........



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Ah! Irony!
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post May 16 2013, 12:31 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 13 2013, 10:25 AM) *
But this is not any endeavour, I'm just not going to condemn without hearing the 'defence'. Until then it is a conditional opinion, which I have already given.


I agree that he should be given the opportunity to respond to the allegation, and if he has acted honestly, then he has nothing to fear from an investigation.

But is does look a bit like 'snout in trough'...
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post May 16 2013, 01:05 PM
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He has the full support of his party colleagues and he has made a statement in the NWN refuting the 'allegations'. He uses the offices in the interests of securing documentation and has a car and part-time chauffeur to maximise his time on the road with reading and phoning. A monitoring officer reviews his claims and he is confident that the Crime Panel with endorse the use of the car.
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post May 16 2013, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 16 2013, 02:05 PM) *
He has the full support of his party colleagues and he has made a statement in the NWN refuting the 'allegations'.


Thank you. I will read it tonight with interest!
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post May 16 2013, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE (Newbelly @ May 16 2013, 01:31 PM) *
I agree that he should be given the opportunity to respond to the allegation, and if he has acted honestly, then he has nothing to fear from an investigation.

But is does look a bit like 'snout in trough'...

No one is preventing him from responding. I notice he was inviting the press to come and see him about Op Bullfinch - I wonder if any reporter bothered? If they did was he asked about his expenses and driver?
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post May 16 2013, 01:16 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ May 16 2013, 02:10 PM) *
No one is preventing him from responding. I notice he was inviting the press to come and see him about Op Bullfinch - I wonder if any reporter bothered? If they did was he asked about his expenses and driver?
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He has the full support of his party colleagues and he has made a statement in the NWN refuting the 'allegations'. He uses the offices in the interests of keeping correspondence and documentation secure, and has a car and part-time chauffeur to maximise his time on the road with reading and phoning. A monitoring officer reviews his claims and he is confident that the Crime Panel will endorse the use of the 'spare' car.
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post May 16 2013, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ May 15 2013, 10:53 AM) *
It seems the relevant info is on page 14.


Sorry you are correct of course I misread the page number.
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post May 16 2013, 07:46 PM
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Perhaps he has sights set on Westminster, where they are all experts at er milking the system shall we say!
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post May 16 2013, 10:16 PM
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QUOTE (Exhausted @ May 16 2013, 05:36 PM) *
Sorry you are correct of course I misread the page number.

No - you were quite correct - outline on p14, detail (ish) on p15.
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post May 17 2013, 06:49 AM
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The whole episode stinks of the MPs expenses scandal. He 'simply can't function' without an office nearby? My ****. But my guess is we ain't seen nothin yet. The real money is to be made in the mass privatisation of the police

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/20/g...e-privatisation

Let's hope the press keeps a close eye on who gets the contracts, particularly if friends and relatives of our shifty PCC have a stake in the companies involved.

Despite all the talk of austerity this shower are very keen on shifting taxypayers' money into their own pockets.
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post May 17 2013, 07:05 AM
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Anthony 'Dodgy' Stansfield certainly can't be accused of underestimating his own abilities.

He told no less an organ that the Witney Gazette:

“I am extremely good value for money. If I could hire myself I would charge a lot more.“

It's worth noting that one of the ways that MPs attempt to justify their own abuse of expenses is that they think they're worth a lot more than they are paid. http://goo.gl/gQoX3

Presumably Commissioner Stansfield is so impressed by his own performance that he spends a good deal of his precious time gazing at the sun shining from his own backside. I've only seen him in action - at WBC meetings - a couple of times but he came over, as his quote confirms, a supremely arrogant piece of work. He also seemed deeply unpleasant but I'm sure somebody loves him.

http://matthewsdent.wordpress.com/2013/05/...roves-me-right/

http://www.witneygazette.co.uk/news/wghead..._medium=twitter

This really is a disgrace, though. We pay this joker £85,000 a year - why can't he drive himself to work in his own car and pay the costs out of his own inflated salary? Surely he must have a study in his own home if he really must have an office nearby? If other public servants behaved like this he and his kind would be amongst the first to scream blue murder at them.
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post May 17 2013, 09:47 AM
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QUOTE (Sherlock @ May 17 2013, 07:49 AM) *
He 'simply can't function' without an office nearby? My ****.


I find Commissioner Stansfeld's justification for his local office requirement a little hard to accept.

There are many people who have an office at home, or need access to sensitive hard documents at home, and the answer is to install a safe, get a decent shredder and have an alarm system. If access to a secure IT system is required, then there are many technologies and solutions available including secure VPN and use of encryption on storage media.

If material is so sensitive as to make the above inadequate, then surely it should not be leaving TVP HQ premises in the first place?
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post May 17 2013, 01:29 PM
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Are people on this forum trying to emulate the poor spelling and grammar of the NWN?
The gentleman's name is STANSFELD not STANSFIELD !!


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post May 17 2013, 02:42 PM
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QUOTE (ivan i @ May 17 2013, 02:29 PM) *
Are people on this forum trying to emulate the poor spelling and grammar of the NWN?
The gentleman's name is STANSFELD not STANSFIELD !!


My apologies. In my post, I took the spelling of the name from the title of the thread. Now my post corrected.
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post May 17 2013, 03:20 PM
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If anyone was really interested I imagine it would be a simple thing to request a copy of the CPP's entries in the Hungerford Police Station in/out log, to see if he was indeed using the Hungerford office more than the Police HQ and wasn't simply checking in and out as alleged.

Of course there might be genuine security reasons for the CPP having an office in a local Police Station, but that in itself doesn't make the local office his reporting base for the purposes of his qualification for travel expenses and tax exemption. I find it difficult to see how the head of the Commission can suggest that his substantive base is not in the same HQ building as the large team that he is employed to lead.

It would be interesting to see quite how often the CPP used the Hungerford office at weekends as he implied he did. I feel that out-of-hours and weekend working is poor practice and symptomatic of ineffectiveness. The CPP does not have an operational role so I can't see what minor emergencies could arise that would be serious enough for him to need to go into the local office at a weekend but not so serious that he didn't have to go to the HQ where his team work.

I also don't understand how he now gets to be chauffeured around in a company car which I'm guessing (though it's not stated explicitly) is all provided for him gratis. If he has now closed the local office (which I think I read) then isn't his travel arrangement to the office again his own responsibility? Obviously, if he wants to hire a chauffeur and pay for a company car then that's up to him, but the cost is his is it not?

The suggestion that his relatively modest 45 minute commute takes too much time out of his working day is bogus - his working day starts when he gets to the office! If he doesn't want a 45 minute commute he could always move nearer to his work. Resignation is also an option.


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post May 17 2013, 04:14 PM
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I would have thought that the designated place of work and issues regarding travel, security of documents, use of premises and access to IT would be agreed in a contract of employment, or at the very least properly thought through before such a position is advertised and accepted.
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