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Jan 21 2013, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Jan 21 2013, 11:46 AM) Kill all the polar bears! we are doing.
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Mar 23 2013, 12:10 PM
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Another day of global warming weather. Power soon to be in short supply it's rumoured, and DIDCOT A closed down for good yesterday thanks to some EU Carbon Directive. It still had years of life left but for EU Directives which apparently from April also add another £30+ to everyone's electricity bill from April; another hidden carbon tax http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/10309369....o_turned_it_on/
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Mar 23 2013, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE (gel @ Mar 23 2013, 12:10 PM) Another day of global warming weather. Power soon to be in short supply it's rumoured, and DIDCOT A closed down for good yesterday thanks to some EU Carbon Directive. It still had years of life left but for EU Directives which apparently from April also add another £30+ to everyone's electricity bill from April; another hidden carbon tax http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/10309369....o_turned_it_on/No, another day of climate change weather! Feel the mechanical gubbins behind your fridge/freezer - 'shock / horror' its hot, you ought to get that fixed. Seem to remember a lot of emotion and upset back in the 1960s because Didcot was being put up - back then the locals didn't like the emissions, so perhaps EC have taken heed of what our Berkshire forbears were saying. The real madness was letting a protected German utility run a power station for us. Didcot is only closing because they have failed to invest in the cleaning plant. They weren't able to escape that in their home territory, so couldn't afford to invest here. Still, I'm sure we'll learn the lesson won't we? Would we really be so daft as to let the French nationalised equivalent of CEGB build and run our nuclear power stations? We've also very little gas storage capacity in UK, so again in the hands of our continental cousins, RWE, EdF, E.On and Scottish Power's Spanish owners. I wonder what will happen to energy prices and utility profits?
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Mar 23 2013, 08:50 PM
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No vitriol or spite, just take a long view of the numbers. I'm not going to add anything, after all even Malthus was wrong about food production v population wasn't he?
Frankly, its the economic argument that worries me. UK hot or cold, fuel prices are set to rise dramatically. Yes, we can stop the 'green tax' but that will only reduce prices once off by 15% or so. Yes, we can burn coal again, after all we've started sticking fingers up at Europe, however, there is a big cost and time lag to re starting that industry. Equally, most of the coal is 'hard to get'.
So, in terms of what is or isn't happening to the environment, why worry? In the long term we are dead. Nevertheless, in the meantime, without economic fuel supplies, how are we going to keep warm / chilled, make things or move about?
I'm sure it will all blow over and we'll be worrying about something else soon. Lets leave this one to the kids...
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Mar 24 2013, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Mar 23 2013, 08:50 PM) No vitriol or spite, just take a long view of the numbers. I'm not going to add anything, after all even Malthus was wrong about food production v population wasn't he?
Frankly, its the economic argument that worries me. UK hot or cold, fuel prices are set to rise dramatically. Yes, we can stop the 'green tax' but that will only reduce prices once off by 15% or so. Yes, we can burn coal again, after all we've started sticking fingers up at Europe, however, there is a big cost and time lag to re starting that industry. Equally, most of the coal is 'hard to get'.
So, in terms of what is or isn't happening to the environment, why worry? In the long term we are dead. Nevertheless, in the meantime, without economic fuel supplies, how are we going to keep warm / chilled, make things or move about?
I'm sure it will all blow over and we'll be worrying about something else soon. Lets leave this one to the kids... In one word? Fracking!
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Mar 24 2013, 01:14 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 23 2013, 08:25 PM) Why is it that all of the 'global warming' doom sayers now trot out the same old tired mantra? "its not global warming, its climate change? Five years ago it was heresy to 'deny' Global warming and now a lot of the scientific community are admitting that the Earth isn't actually warming any more (infact it may be cooling) they simply paint the same old bandwagon a different colour and jump straight back into the middle of it! So the climate is changing? so what? it always has. Its what has driven evolution. The Polar bear everyone is so concerned about only evolved to deal with the cooling of the worlds climate, they used to be brown bears.
waiting for the vitriol and spite that wil no doubt come my way with interest! When it is hot and/or dry it is 'Evidence of Global Warming'. When it is cold and/or wet it is 'Evidence of Climate Change'. Same with political parties - whatever happens is evidence of the paucity of the Govt policy/brilliance of the Opposition or the brilliance of the Govt/paucity of the Opposition stance. The planet has existed for millions of years, evidence is based on figures going back around 150 years..... Man can do his bit, but Nature has her ways.
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Mar 24 2013, 04:31 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Mar 24 2013, 01:14 PM) When it is hot and/or dry it is 'Evidence of Global Warming'. When it is cold and/or wet it is 'Evidence of Climate Change'.
Same with political parties - whatever happens is evidence of the paucity of the Govt policy/brilliance of the Opposition or the brilliance of the Govt/paucity of the Opposition stance.
The planet has existed for millions of years, evidence is based on figures going back around 150 years.....
Man can do his bit, but Nature has her ways. Always a good idea to keep an eye on the fuel gauge when on a long journey.
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Mar 24 2013, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Mar 24 2013, 04:31 PM) Always a good idea to keep an eye on the fuel gauge when on a long journey. When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.
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Mar 25 2013, 12:32 AM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Mar 24 2013, 09:19 PM) Most of them before man came along? So what.
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Mar 25 2013, 10:24 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Mar 25 2013, 07:36 PM) Govt. Chief Scientist says these cold winters are here to stay. All down to climate change! What a pity he didn't check out this forum or come to West Berks first; we know better don't we lads! But I thought winter was supposed to be cold, when its a warm winter it's down to global warming, when it's cold it's down to climate change. No one ever hear of frost fairs?.
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