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What do the LibDems actjually stand for?, Is it simply power at any cost? |
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Nov 19 2012, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE (Adrian Hollister @ Nov 19 2012, 08:08 AM) Just caught up with the thread, I suspect Richard was on the Chablis/shrooms or something. The Greens continue to be active despite his hope that we are not. This self promotion and desperation for head lines from RG should show the electorate how self serving New Labour is. You should be ashamed and embarrassed. Lib Dem's seem to have heads and shoulders above you in morality - perhaps you should grow a pair and apologise to various forum members you've attacked? I am glad that you are active Adrian, can you please give us some examples of the work that you are doing for the local community??
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Nov 19 2012, 11:04 AM
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QUOTE (Spider @ Nov 15 2012, 08:34 PM) The days have gone when single parties can rule alone and the Lib-Dems are in a powerful position. Really?? The Lib Dem vote collapsed in every polling district in the Thames Valley last week, and pretty much nationally. They even had to ask for two recounts in the hope they would save their deposit in the Corby by-election, and then begged the returning officer to let them have it back anyway!! Doesnn't sound like a "powerful" position to me!!!
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Nov 19 2012, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Nov 19 2012, 11:01 AM) I am glad that you are active Adrian, can you please give us some examples of the work that you are doing for the local community?? Rather than try & score points by rubbishing the others, could you give us a any examples of your party's local work?
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Nov 19 2012, 12:25 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Nov 19 2012, 11:01 AM) I am glad that you are active Adrian, can you please give us some examples of the work that you are doing for the local community?? I go around finding the headlines and doing what I can to get myself in the paper. Oh hang on... Loads of stuff going on, so your welcome to follow my blog for my updates or just follow other Green activists or councillors as appropriate.
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Nov 19 2012, 12:50 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Nov 19 2012, 11:11 AM) Rather than try & score points by rubbishing the others, could you give us a any examples of your party's local work? I'm not trying to score points against him, I just asked if he could share details of some of the work that the Green Party is doing in West Berkshire. Some details on my community work are available here: www.richardgarvie.org
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Nov 19 2012, 12:56 PM
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QUOTE (Adrian Hollister @ Nov 19 2012, 12:26 PM) I wonder if RG will ever apologise? Perhaps humility is not a New Labour trait either. Come on Adrian, apologise for what? Asking for you to give us some details? It surely can't be that hard to think of some issues that you have campaigned on? Let's just restrict it to the last month if that helps?
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Nov 19 2012, 12:58 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Nov 19 2012, 12:56 PM) Come on Adrian, apologise for what? Asking for you to give us some details? It surely can't be that hard to think of some issues that you have campaigned on? Let's just restrict it to the last month if that helps? He did the same as you - provided a link.
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Nov 19 2012, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Nov 19 2012, 05:15 PM) It's not really bickering. I just asked him to give some examples of what his party has done locally and he refuses to answer, instead doing the whole teflon / deflect mechanism by those who wish to be career politicians. The problem with politics locally is that those who are politically minded are great at asking questions of others, but shy away from giving answers themselves. We need something different, and that's what I am trying to do with my approach. Doesn't always work in my favour, but at least I try to be open and honest. Oh dear, I don't think you were listening to HJD.
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Nov 19 2012, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 15 2012, 10:24 PM) To compromise you need a start position. What is that?
Compromise, appeasement, surrender - has never worked too well in the past! Wholly agree that the state of UK politics at the moment says they'll keep the balance of power. Minority rule then - what a great idea - I'll book my ticket out!
So then, 'They stand for Europe, coalition and working together'; to what end? Let us start with the first question first. Think of a parasite (a crude term, but fitting). The Lib-Dems can’t win an election on their own so the only way we can achieve our goals is through coalition with other parties. I know many other Lib-Dems won’t agree with my jargon but it is just another way to describe PR. That is the future. I can’t see any party winning the election on their own so if they want power it will be through negotiating and exchange (and it will have to be with the Lib-Dems). So that is the start of our position. Whether it has worked in the past well or not it is working well now. We are the smaller party in a coalition but have managed to get 75% of our policies through. Coalition always means minority rule or having a larger slice of the cake than they normally would get. To what end? To a united Europe that has one single government and will be a force in the world. Remember. LD’s are a party of Europe. It is in our blood.
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Nov 19 2012, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Nov 19 2012, 10:26 AM) Dream on! Why dream on? Where do you think the Lib-Dems are now? We came fthird with less votes but we have equal power. Even if the coalition loses the next election I am sure that either the Labour party or the Tories will come knocking on our door. Whatever way you look at it the Lib-Dems we will be in power the next time around. You mark my words.
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Nov 19 2012, 08:13 PM
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QUOTE (Spider @ Nov 19 2012, 08:02 PM) Let us start with the first question first. Think of a parasite (a crude term, but fitting). The Lib-Dems can’t win an election on their own so the only way we can achieve our goals is through coalition with other parties. I know many other Lib-Dems won’t agree with my jargon but it is just another way to describe PR. That is the future. I can’t see any party winning the election on their own so if they want power it will be through negotiating and exchange (and it will have to be with the Lib-Dems). So that is the start of our position.
Whether it has worked in the past well or not it is working well now. We are the smaller party in a coalition but have managed to get 75% of our policies through. Coalition always means minority rule or having a larger slice of the cake than they normally would get.
To what end? To a united Europe that has one single government and will be a force in the world. Remember. LD’s are a party of Europe. It is in our blood. Oh dear.... Oh dear oh dear..... Oh Dear Oh Dear Oh Dear. I must go and file down my eyeballs
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Nov 19 2012, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Nov 19 2012, 08:13 PM) Oh dear.... Oh dear oh dear..... Oh Dear Oh Dear Oh Dear. I must go and file down my eyeballs You may mock but who is in power at the moment? Cynics have been mocking the Lib-Dems for far too long. Now we are in power it seems ridicule is the flavour of the day. PR or coalition it is our future and wherever that is Lib-Dems won't be close to the seat of power.
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Nov 19 2012, 08:43 PM
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QUOTE (Spider @ Nov 19 2012, 08:19 PM) You may mock but who is in power at the moment? Cynics have been mocking the Lib-Dems for far too long. Now we are in power it seems ridicule is the flavour of the day. PR or coalition it is our future and wherever that is Lib-Dems won't be close to the seat of power. Looking at the recent elections involving LibLiars I think the party may be joining the Dodo at the next election - unless of course they pull out of this coalition before the next due date!
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Nov 19 2012, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE (Penelope @ Nov 19 2012, 08:37 PM) With a change of leadership I predict Labour to win the general election with Tory in first place in Newbury. If Labour win and form the next government then I predict it will be with the Lib-Dems.
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Nov 19 2012, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Nov 19 2012, 05:15 PM) It's not really bickering. I just asked him to give some examples of what his party has done locally and he refuses to answer, instead doing the whole teflon / deflect mechanism by those who wish to be career politicians. The problem with politics locally is that those who are politically minded are great at asking questions of others, but shy away from giving answers themselves. We need something different, and that's what I am trying to do with my approach. Doesn't always work in my favour, but at least I try to be open and honest. He answered as well as you did. following your link & we see that you were 'instrumental' in bringing Nando's to Newbury. ( I'm sure that is only part of that story ) Adrian has asked for a cycle rack at the job centre. about equal I'd say.
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Nov 19 2012, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Nov 19 2012, 08:43 PM) Looking at the recent elections involving LibLiars I think the party may be joining the Dodo at the next election - unless of course they pull out of this coalition before the next due date! Rubbish. Just a mid term crisis. This sort of thing happens between elections. Whatever position the Lib-Dems finish in the next election you can be sure no government can be formed without the Lib-Dems being part of it. Either that or a Tory/ Labour coalition. And I can't see that. I think people should start getting real concerning the position of the Lib-Dems and their future part in any government plans. And where have the Lib-Dems lied?
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