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post Oct 8 2012, 02:21 PM
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Surely the biggest point here is the insulting of plebs by likening them to police officers.
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post Oct 8 2012, 05:58 PM
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QUOTE (Dodgys smarter brother. @ Oct 8 2012, 03:21 PM) *
Surely the biggest point here is the insulting of plebs by likening them to police officers.

Try saying that face to face to the officers searching for the little girl's body in Machynlleth. The only pleb on here is you.
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post Oct 8 2012, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Oct 8 2012, 06:58 PM) *
Try saying that face to face to the officers searching for the little girl's body in Machynlleth. The only pleb on here is you.


I bet they are taking full advantage of the overtime. I'm with Dodgy's brother on this one - sorry!
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post Oct 8 2012, 06:40 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Oct 8 2012, 07:07 PM) *
I bet they are taking full advantage of the overtime. I'm with Dodgy's brother on this one - sorry!

Aren't you supposed to be in America?
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post Oct 8 2012, 08:01 PM
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Not right now no.
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post Oct 8 2012, 08:04 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Oct 8 2012, 09:01 PM) *
Not right now no.

Back on holidays then?
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post Oct 8 2012, 08:21 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Oct 8 2012, 06:58 PM) *
Try saying that face to face to the officers searching for the little girl's body in Machynlleth. The only pleb on here is you.


Oh do lighten up you pompous a*s.

Why not say it to the one who pushed Ian Tomlinson over? The 164 who found that their statements had been altered and failed to do anything about it @ hillsborourgh. I could go on. (I'm sure others will).

Stop being so po-faced. Lighten up. Get laid. Chill.
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post Oct 8 2012, 08:33 PM
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QUOTE (Hugh Saskin @ Oct 8 2012, 09:04 PM) *
Back on holidays then?

No just don't live there yet, it will have been two years since we applied in January. Hopefully they will let us know soon.
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post Oct 11 2012, 10:37 PM
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As a now retired police officer, who has franky been called much worse, I cannot get excited by the comments of this obviously abhorrent and out of touch politician. It does say much though our current political leadership, and their opinion of the public service.

I am concerned though about how much information that appears to have bee leaked to the press, as it implies to me, that members of the police service are also playing 'politics', and I ask myself "why" and "for what purpose?".
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post Dec 18 2012, 09:09 PM
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Following an investigation by Channel 4 news and their broadcast this evening, it appears not all is what it seems and a few people might be having to eat their words.
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post Dec 18 2012, 09:42 PM
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QUOTE (pbonnay @ Dec 18 2012, 09:09 PM) *
Following an investigation by Channel 4 news and their broadcast this evening, it appears not all is what it seems and a few people might be having to eat their words.


I am not sure if the murk has cleared or got denser...... Strange the CCTV is made available to a TV programme, but not viewed (apparently) at the time..... I don't believe the media are the proper organisation(s) to investigate right or wrong so as to influence opinion. The facts, plain and simple, are the best tool.

Something is not right, but I remain unsure exactly what.
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post Dec 18 2012, 09:59 PM
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QUOTE (Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera @ Oct 11 2012, 10:37 PM) *
As a now retired police officer, who has franky been called much worse, I cannot get excited by the comments of this obviously abhorrent and out of touch politician. It does say much though our current political leadership, and their opinion of the public service.

I am concerned though about how much information that appears to have bee leaked to the press, as it implies to me, that members of the police service are also playing 'politics', and I ask myself "why" and "for what purpose?".


Well, spot on, pity you've retired; we're loosing a lot of experience all round at the moment.


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post Dec 18 2012, 10:07 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Dec 18 2012, 09:42 PM) *
I am not sure if the murk has cleared or got denser...... Strange the CCTV is made available to a TV programme, but not viewed (apparently) at the time..... I don't believe the media are the proper organisation(s) to investigate right or wrong so as to influence opinion. The facts, plain and simple, are the best tool.

Something is not right, but I remain unsure exactly what.

I don't think we can trust anyone to do that ... frankly. This sniffed of a set-up from the start.
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post Dec 18 2012, 11:01 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Dec 18 2012, 09:42 PM) *
I am not sure if the murk has cleared or got denser...... Strange the CCTV is made available to a TV programme, but not viewed (apparently) at the time..... I don't believe the media are the proper organisation(s) to investigate right or wrong so as to influence opinion. The facts, plain and simple, are the best tool.

Something is not right, but I remain unsure exactly what.


Cameron instituted an inquiry under Sir Jeremy Heywood to find out what exactly had gone on. How come that bright spark never thought to check the CCTV footage? They know the area is fully camera'd up, yet they didn't think to look? Jog on. And then who leaked the footage, from more than one camera, to the press?

V.odd.
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post Dec 18 2012, 11:33 PM
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The whole thing stinks.

Glad to see Mr Mitchell has requested a review.

Yet another example of the authorities being seen to be bucking the system to their own advantage.
If it is true the 'witness' was lying, the whole episode would be thrown out if it went to court.


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post Dec 19 2012, 12:28 AM
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When all this first came out the Police Federation were making a VERY big deal about accusing a police officer of lying, that this was some sort of unthinkable crime that would never happen and apologies just were not good enough as the reputation of the force was being tarnished by the very thought. Every single police federation representative interviewed on the airwaves (and there were a lot) was foaming at the mouth demanding some kind of retribution.

Well the fact that a police officer is alleged to have attempted to stitch up a cabinet minister is scary. If they will do it to him what about us?



It wont be long before stuff like this is used to discredit all police without recorded evidence. They are going to have to fit coppers with black box recorders which will cause even more issues when it becomes common knowledge just how little they know of the law they enforce and so make up themselves on a daily basis.
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post Dec 19 2012, 08:21 AM
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QUOTE (spartacus @ Dec 19 2012, 12:28 AM) *
When all this first came out the Police Federation were making a VERY big deal about accusing a police officer of lying, that this was some sort of unthinkable crime that would never happen and apologies just were not good enough as the reputation of the force was being tarnished by the very thought. Every single police federation representative interviewed on the airwaves (and there were a lot) was foaming at the mouth demanding some kind of retribution.


I remember a representative of the Police Federation giving an interview to television where he strongly inferred that Mr Mitchell had been uncooperative in their meeting and had not given a full account of his actions. This jumped up spokesman concluded that the minister had no choice but to resign.

A recording of the meeting that has now come to light shows what the Police Federation said to be untrue. And since when has a staff association decided on who sits in the Cabinet?

Now it appears that the independent witness and the crowd of "visibly shocked" bystanders, have all been invented.

This story is going to run and run.

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post Dec 19 2012, 08:31 AM
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It might just be worthwhile here to remember that Mitchell admitted to swearing at the police. He had denied it at PMQ's which meant he had to go. And go he did. His initial excuse was that it had been a 'long and frustrating day'. This was later revealed to mean he'd been for a very agreeable lunch at the 'Cinammon Club' during which other diners said he did not look as if he was having a 'long and frustrating' day at all.
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post Dec 19 2012, 08:36 AM
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It isn't a stitch up , or conspiracy.


A pissed up MP swears at a beligerent copper who then foolishly tries to get the MET to twist the evidence. MP is rebuked & looks for some tit for tat revenge. He gets it.
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post Dec 19 2012, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Dec 19 2012, 08:36 AM) *
It isn't a stitch up , or conspiracy. A pissed up MP swears at a beligerent copper who then foolishly tries to get the MET to twist the evidence. MP is rebuked & looks for some tit for tat revenge. He gets it.

'Fabricating evidence' isn't a stitch-up? Swearing at the police is in itself enough for him to go, but for then one or more policemen to 'conjurer up' evidence is a conspiracy in my book.
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