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post Sep 24 2011, 08:31 PM
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@ xjay - pedal stool was meant for Strafin!
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post Sep 24 2011, 08:33 PM
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What's a pedal stool?
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post Sep 24 2011, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Sep 24 2011, 09:33 PM) *
What's a pedal stool?


Pedestal pedal stool who cares, u knw what I meant, and if this is going to be the highlight of you day, you might want to reflect on the 2 pregnant women you have condemning all day or were they both probably raped prospectively as u call it?
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post Sep 24 2011, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE (Lestat @ Sep 24 2011, 09:27 PM) *
Too clear this up, I don't know anyone on here as I'm relatively new to this site, I moved from oxfordshire back in April, not that I'm expecting anyone to care, I'm just truly shocked at the disrespect the two pregnant ladies on this thread are getting, iv been brought up to respect women and all iv seen on this forum are disrepectful guys giving two women who only asked for advice negativity, is this what Berkshire guys are like, is it the water? Let me know cause I will stop drinking it.


Firstly, there is no disrespect. Some comments are, perhaps, a little callus, but nothing "disrespectful". This is a public forum where people are entitled to share there views so long as they don't go too far with everyone calling each other knobheads or something. No-one has really said anything beyond the "limits" of a public domain, they are simply sharing views. Views of different people which aren't in alignment create friction which creates drama - which is what the last page has been.

To brandish "berkshire guys" as disrespectful obviously shows you being a female; and probably a feminist. Now I'm all for feminists, equal rights, equal pay, etc (which I support) but it goes both ways as that pregnancy is not an excuse (or a reason) to be given accommodation. Which is the views people have shared on a public board. People have said to look for house shares, do <this>, do <that>, and whether that's been read/picked up on is beside the point that a discussion about circumstances which are not fully disclosed will take place whether you like it or not. It's the nature of a forum. If there is not 100% of the information available people will speculate. Now this is half the fault of the forum at large and half the fault of the person who brought the topic up by not giving the full information.

You said it yourself, you don't know anyone on here (then again it's hardly like we have NWN Forum coffee evenings), but I wouldn't dare to brandish a county of guys as disrespectful based on a few internet posts. All of the females who I've encountered all say I'm caring, nice, sweet, etc, sure the same could be said for the rest of the gaggle of blokes on this forum. Just because we share our views and they don't happen to fall in line with your views doesn't make us ignorant.

PS I'm a woman.

QUOTE (Lestat @ Sep 24 2011, 09:31 PM) *
@ xjay - pedal stool was meant for Strafin!


Regardless, I found an opportunity to post a funny video. happy.gif

Also on the topic of rape babies, if you are raped (one of my close friends was raped a couple of years ago, she is so worried and nervous she hardly goes out any more, completely changed her, don't think I don't know how nasty that is...) and you are left pregnant (my friend wasn't thankfully), why don't you have an abortion?

I don't want to turn this into a whole pros/cons of abortion thread, but looking at this logically, you are about to have a child which you cannot afford nor do you have the proper environment to raise it in. Simple thing to do is get it aborted. Especially within the first few months or so of the pregnancy. People who say "oh they are alive", and "the personality of the living creature" are entitled to their views but at the end of the day, if they are unable to support the baby and they choose not to abort, why should society have to pick up their mess?

My above point; callus, but a point worth making.
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post Sep 24 2011, 08:44 PM
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Lestat - Perhaps you should go back to Oxford, try and get yourself an education. Obviously not at one of the universities but I am sure there are some remedial groups that might have you. The point about rape was to show that no matter how clear cut something might seem there are horrible nasty things, completely out of a persons control that can lead to them being in a situation. We never know everything and shouldn't assume that we do, a point proven abundantly well by CBW herself just a few posts later.
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post Sep 24 2011, 08:52 PM
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As much as I've 'enjoyed' this evenings discussions before I cut my internet off next week (boo hoo, but needs must at the moment), I am quite frankly cream crackered, and going to bed to watch Live at the Apollo.

I sincerely hope the lady who this whole thread is about originally manages to pick herself up and get back on her feet. I know I intend to myself, whether it's with help from the local authority or no.

Never judge a book (thread) by its cover, folks. The bible is often leather bound and pretty looking, yet you only have to watch the news to see what that little collection of stories has done to the world wink.gif

OK.....rambling rubbish now.

Nighty night all!

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post Sep 24 2011, 08:52 PM
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I assumed you to be a guy as you were offering your double bed to the two pregnant women and your profile states male, so I'm confused, are you male pretending to be female or female pretending to be male, regardless Strafin needs to realize that just sometimes in life things never go according to plan and these two pregnant ladies are just a small minority, I'm sure if they knew there relationships were not going to last they would not of planned there pregnancies and hence would not be in this predicament get so much ignorance and negativity. I agree if it was a single person asking for houses they should not be giving special treatment but there are children involved show some compassion would you have your new born baby on the streets living out of cardboard boxes, begging for money, answer is no

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post Sep 24 2011, 08:57 PM
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Wonderful as it has been.....
I am off to bed as well. Regardless of your views and opinions everybody it has been quite the discussion, and I am prepared to admit that I have found it interesting and informative.

Night.
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post Sep 24 2011, 09:03 PM
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Has indeed been a very good discussion, best one for quite a while I must say.

QUOTE (CBW137Y @ Sep 24 2011, 09:52 PM) *
As much as I've 'enjoyed' this evenings discussions before I cut my internet off next week (boo hoo, but needs must at the moment), I am quite frankly cream crackered, and going to bed to watch Live at the Apollo.


Oh forgot that was on, thanks for the reminder lol. Anyway toodlepips laugh.gif

QUOTE (Lestat @ Sep 24 2011, 09:52 PM) *
I assumed you to be a guy as you were offering your double bed to the two pregnant women and your profile states male, so I'm confused, are you male pretending to be female or female pretending to be male, regardless Strafin needs to realize that just sometimes in life things never go according to plan and these two pregnant ladies are just a small minority, I'm sure if they knew there relationships were not going to last they would not of planned there pregnancies and hence would not be in this predicament get so much ignorance and negativity. I agree if it was a single person asking for houses they should not be giving special treatment but there are children involved show some compassion would you have your new born baby on the streets living out of cardboard boxes, begging for money, answer is no

And I'm a male smile.gif


I am a male pretending to be a male pretending to be a female pretending to be a male. Also if I offered my double bed to the two pregnant ladies, where would I sleep? Baby bumps take up one and a half spaces. sad.gif

You also assumed I was being serious so we shall leave your flawed assumptions behind, shall we? wink.gif

I think Strafin makes a fair point though, so can't really argue against it.

I'm sure too that if they knew their relationships were going to blow up then, no they would perhaps of not gotten pregnant, but who's really to tell? I think no compassion should be involved, because people use pregnancy as a ticket into a free/cheap house. I work bloody hard for my poxy flat but if I was to have a child, I'd likely get a half decent house for a **** sight cheaper than what I'm paying now.

Now I UNDERSTAND that I don't know the full facts of the person we're talking about (not sure who myself now...) but the point is that here, a pregnancy is being used as a sort of levvy into housing. No-one wants to see a new born baby on the streets, but I tell you; if that started to happen I'm pretty sure that;

a.) People would have a dam (spelt incorrectly on purpose) sight less babies (means I can drink my coffee in Starbucks in peace), or at least PLAN their family in a better way (as in making sure your spouse is up to the challenge, not cheating on you for 2 years before hand, for example)
B.) People who couldn't afford to live or support themselves to begin with would not use pregnancy, burdening the benefit and support system even further, as a way to try and get a place to live - means tax payer is paying for accommodation, food, clothing, etc, plus already paying for hospital treatments, etc as required..
c.) Cake would be cheaper.

I'm a night owl, too busy playing PS3, watching iPlayer and random TV channels to switch off lol.
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post Sep 24 2011, 09:05 PM
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Lestat - Perhaps you should go back to Oxford, try and get yourself an education

Who said I was from Oxford, iv studied at uni, I'm just shocked at how guys can be towards women in Berkshire, it's that bad the council had to open a new commitee because of the high rise in domestic violence and I don't want to have discussions on this pls. I just want to know what has happened here for guys to be so negative towards women especially those who are pregnant?
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post Sep 24 2011, 09:11 PM
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@ xjay - I'm a night owl, too busy playing PS3, watching iPlayer and random TV channels to switch off lol.

so are you male or female, years ago I would say ur defame but these days even girls are gamers?
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post Sep 24 2011, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE (Lestat @ Sep 24 2011, 10:05 PM) *
Lestat - Perhaps you should go back to Oxford, try and get yourself an education

Who said I was from Oxford, iv studied at uni, I'm just shocked at how guys can be towards women in Berkshire, it's that bad the council had to open a new commitee because of the high rise in domestic violence and I don't want to have discussions on this pls. I just want to know what has happened here for guys to be so negative towards women especially those who are pregnant?


<Lestat>, if you have studied at a University, then standards are worse than I thought.
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post Sep 24 2011, 09:30 PM
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QUOTE (Lestat @ Sep 24 2011, 10:11 PM) *
@ xjay - I'm a night owl, too busy playing PS3, watching iPlayer and random TV channels to switch off lol.

so are you male or female, years ago I would say ur defame but these days even girls are gamers?


I'm a male.

A male who respects females and whom a female has never called disrespectful, but polite, caring, sweet, and that's just the ones I weren't trying to sleep with! laugh.gif

(in case you didn't already realise I was not being SERIOUS on my last clause)
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post Sep 25 2011, 10:08 AM
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c.) Cake would be cheaper.

Careful XJAY.... Monsieur LeStat might have use of a Madame with a sharp edge.
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post Sep 25 2011, 04:41 PM
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Ok so my original post seems to have sparked a lot of posts and thanks to those who have offered advice.

I would like to point out she would have accepted the b&b but it was in slough and she couldn't afford the extra petrol to get to work.

Anyway the good news is I have found a friend who will rent her room for a couple of months so fingers crossed she will be able to use this time to find a more permanent home.

Sorry Xjay1337 but she won't be sharing a bed now wink.gif but again thanks for the offer



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post Sep 25 2011, 05:39 PM
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Back to basics, I suspect some of the original 'concern' about the post was sparked by the implication the Council was at fault for not having available a property that exactly matched the needs of any individual who came upon a need. Their legal remit is to provide for the homeless, and they did so - as a short term emergency solution.

To say 'let's us down, again' (sic) is not fair in the described circumstances, I say.
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post Sep 25 2011, 06:11 PM
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Whatever your views or opinions on the situation, the thread, or it's title, I am pleased that the lady in question has managed to sort something, even if it is only temporary.
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post Sep 25 2011, 06:12 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Sep 25 2011, 07:11 PM) *
Whatever your views or opinions on the situation, the thread, or it's title, I am pleased that the lady in question has managed to sort something, even if it is only temporary.

Agreed. Getting into a mess is easy.... getting out is harder.
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post Sep 25 2011, 06:53 PM
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Someone helped along the way - well done Simon
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post Sep 27 2011, 11:56 PM
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QUOTE (Vodabury @ Sep 24 2011, 09:04 PM) *
My apologies, I should have made clear that the content was deleted, rather than the post itself.

I posted something, then deleted it as I didn't want to perpetuate an argument. I wanted to let it drop.
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