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post Sep 22 2011, 11:33 PM
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post Sep 22 2011, 11:37 PM
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Ahhh, the tried and tested "samaritan" conundrum.


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post Sep 23 2011, 12:34 AM
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Interesting topic. If she's young and attractive she can stay at mine. I even have a double bed.
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post Sep 23 2011, 06:50 AM
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QUOTE (Vodabury @ Sep 22 2011, 11:58 PM) *
If Simon really cared for his friend he would let her stay at his house and stop making excuses and passing blame.


Cheers for your helpful advise vodabury!!!!

But a genuine thank you to those who have offered suggestions and Richard, she will be in touch today - thank you

And for those mocking why she doesn't want shared bathrooms, it's nothing about being snobby, just the fact she needs the toilet about every two hours and doesn't feel safe walking down a corridor at night on her own


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post Sep 23 2011, 07:28 AM
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QUOTE (spartacus @ Sep 22 2011, 11:25 PM) *
As a tax payer I'm fed up with the number on spongers who want everything delivered to them on a plate when things go tits-up.


Not sure how she can be classed as a sponger, she works and pays taxes like everyone else, things just haven't gone her way lately and she needs help - She is not asking for cash handouts, just help in finding affordable housing.


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post Sep 23 2011, 07:35 AM
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QUOTE (Vodabury @ Sep 22 2011, 11:58 PM) *
If Simon really cared for his friend he would let her stay at his house and stop making excuses and passing blame.


As this is the third time you have suggested this to me (don't know why I didn't think of it myself) I thought I would reply

I wish I could help, but a) I don't have the room in my house, cool.gif im expecting my first baby any week now c) my origional thought was why the **** do we as taxpayers fork out for council housing all our lives and then really struggle to get help if/when we need it

All she wants is a little help and not unhelpful comments


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post Sep 23 2011, 08:17 AM
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QUOTE (Simon @ Sep 23 2011, 08:35 AM) *
All she wants is a little help and not unhelpful comments


In your first post you state that she has been offered two lots of accommodation. She has had help, but seemingly it is not good enough?

How about finding the father and getting some assistance from him? What about her parents and other family?

Years back when I lived in a one bedroom flat I put someone up for 6 weeks. They slept on my my sofa and we shared a bathroom and kitchen. It was a tight squeeze but it helped them out until they sorted their own accommodation.

I really hope she gets sorted out, she is in touch with CAB and WBC, but I am afraid she is one of many on the waiting list for accommodation. I think you might have to help her in managing expectations.

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post Sep 23 2011, 08:51 AM
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Simon, this is always typical of the type of responses you get on this forum. It's usually a minority. They're entitled to their opinion which is the point of the forum but then in the eyes of the new comers it doesn't make it a very helpful or useful one to join.
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post Sep 23 2011, 10:00 AM
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QUOTE (Andy1 @ Sep 23 2011, 09:51 AM) *
Simon, this is always typical of the type of responses you get on this forum. It's usually a minority. They're entitled to their opinion which is the point of the forum but then in the eyes of the new comers it doesn't make it a very helpful or useful one to join.


I think none of the responses have been beyond the boundaries of pleasant conversation...after all the points made by all are very valid.

My offer still stands.
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post Sep 23 2011, 10:37 AM
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QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Sep 23 2011, 11:00 AM) *
I think none of the responses have been beyond the boundaries of pleasant conversation...after all the points made by all are very valid.

My offer still stands.


I will let her know laugh.gif


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post Sep 23 2011, 01:59 PM
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Is this a new use for the forum then?

I think, if anyone who falls on hard times (whether their fault or not) comes begging to a newspaper discussion forum then I think it may become a little clogged.

I am struggling a bit at the moment, 2 kids at uni, pay cut, fuel bills going up, food bills going up, getting less for my taxes etc.
Anyone help?? wink.gif
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post Sep 23 2011, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 23 2011, 02:59 PM) *
Is this a new use for the forum then?

I think, if anyone who falls on hard times (whether their fault or not) comes begging to a newspaper discussion forum then I think it may become a little clogged.

I am struggling a bit at the moment, 2 kids at uni, pay cut, fuel bills going up, food bills going up, getting less for my taxes etc.
Anyone help?? wink.gif


No I was asking if anyone knew how to help. Lots of people must have been or know people in similar situations and maybe someone knew where to get advise / help.

Where has the begging come into it?

I though that was what forums were for? seeking advice and discussing topics? Obviously this one is mainly about taking the p**s out of people. If you dont like the topic, why comment?




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post Sep 23 2011, 03:25 PM
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QUOTE (Simon @ Sep 23 2011, 03:45 PM) *
No I was asking if anyone knew how to help. Lots of people must have been or know people in similar situations and maybe someone knew where to get advise / help.

Where has the begging come into it?

I though that was what forums were for? seeking advice and discussing topics? Obviously this one is mainly about taking the p**s out of people. If you dont like the topic, why comment?


Well said!

I am fairly new on here and can't believe some of what I read, just don't take the comments of a few, who let's face it, seem to have a heck of a lot of spare time on their hands, as fair sample of the attitude of Newbury folk.

I wish her every success for the future.
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post Sep 23 2011, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE (Simon @ Sep 23 2011, 03:45 PM) *
No I was asking if anyone knew how to help. Lots of people must have been or know people in similar situations and maybe someone knew where to get advise / help.

Where has the begging come into it?

I though that was what forums were for? seeking advice and discussing topics? Obviously this one is mainly about taking the p**s out of people. If you dont like the topic, why comment?

OK fair enough, you weren't begging and were merely asking advice. I retract my comments and apologise.
It was intended to be a bit tongue in cheek though.
I too wish her all the best but still feel, like it or not, that people really do need to take more responsibility for their own actions.
As I don't know the full details of what has happened to her maybe I am wrong to say that too.
If so, again in her case, I apologise.
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post Sep 23 2011, 11:01 PM
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QUOTE (Simon @ Sep 23 2011, 03:45 PM) *
I though that was what forums were for? seeking advice and discussing topics? Obviously this one is mainly about taking the p**s out of people. If you dont like the topic, why comment?

If you don't like the response why don't you ignore it or not post on an opinions forum in the first place? I am sure there are plenty of advice sites around, you are on the internet after all...
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post Sep 24 2011, 07:54 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Sep 24 2011, 12:01 AM) *
If you don't like the response why don't you ignore it or not post on an opinions forum in the first place? I am sure there are plenty of advice sites around, you are on the internet after all...

Yes and let the pious three headed hump-backed locals on here spout their sanctimonious right wing waffle in peace *and promptly disappears in a puff of righteousness* tongue.gif

Like I said earlier, I pray that I don't fall on hard times, or have a savage twist of fate and end up relying somewhat on the 'charitable nature' of the 'good folk' of Newbury.
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post Sep 24 2011, 10:58 AM
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But this website is not representative of the people of Newbury, it's a small percentage of people who have an interest in local issues and like to vent their spleens. Why should they be charitable? And why should they not be allowed to put what they like, when others can. The piousness and intolerance always comes from those who think that anyone who disagrees with them is "right wing" and therefore deformed in some way and therefore not entitled to an opinion. All those exclaiming that this woman "must" be helped at all costs make me want to help less.
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post Sep 24 2011, 11:14 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Sep 24 2011, 11:58 AM) *
But this website is not representative of the people of Newbury, it's a small percentage of people who have an interest in local issues and like to vent their spleens. Why should they be charitable? And why should they not be allowed to put what they like, when others can.

Did I say you should be charitable and shouldn't be allowed to say what you think? I think that a number of people's comments on here are simply uncharitable in spirit if not in practice. What is so hard about being kind natured, if not helpful?

QUOTE (Strafin @ Sep 24 2011, 11:58 AM) *
The piousness and intolerance always comes from those who think that anyone who disagrees with them is "right wing" and therefore deformed in some way and therefore not entitled to an opinion.

I said that? Where? The rest was a joke.

QUOTE (Strafin @ Sep 24 2011, 11:58 AM) *
All those exclaiming that this woman "must" be helped at all costs make me want to help less.

That is up to you and your conscience.

Like you said yourself, this is an area for posting opinions and comment and that is what I am doing. Frankly, I think some people's attitude on here embarrass Newbury if not southerners. But then this is a safe Tory seat; what else should I expect. tongue.gif

PS I admire Biker1 and his humility; he gets it.
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post Sep 24 2011, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 24 2011, 12:14 PM) *
I said that? Where?


No you didn't say it, but it is the implication of various posts on this forum, in other subjects too. I did not mean to single you out personally.
I also think that most postings on here are the to the extremes of peoples genuine feelings, a text only view of everybody is kind of dehumanising. Finally I think that this is entirely the wrong place to be asking for help, however if you're desperate everything is worth a shot, I just don't think you shouuld get upset if you don't get the response you were after.
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Sep 24 2011, 12:34 PM) *
No you didn't say it, but it is the implication of various posts on this forum, in other subjects too. I did not mean to single you out personally.
I also think that most postings on here are the to the extremes of peoples genuine feelings, a text only view of everybody is kind of dehumanising. Finally I think that this is entirely the wrong place to be asking for help, however if you're desperate everything is worth a shot, I just don't think you shouuld get upset if you don't get the response you were after.

That is fine. But doesn't anyone look back on their posts and not think: that wasn't nice, or I shouldn't have said that? I would (and do).
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