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Salt Routes, Where Is Gritted |
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Jan 2 2010, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 2 2010, 11:52 AM) Best not call my point stupid three times if you simply don't know what you're talking about. I'll call your argument stupid when I think it is, however, I never called you stupid, that's the main thing. Whether I know if there are private roads that are primary or secondary routes, or even if there is or not, makes no difference to the argument about your 'grit my drive' analogy. Yet another attempt by you to divert from your erroneous argument. QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 2 2010, 11:52 AM) You're verging on GMR territory with the "I'm not wriggling, you are" line there. Every time he lost a debate he used to post "I'm not... you are". I repeat, you are attempting to save face by childishly diverting the issue, but my point remains, why would you expect your drive to be salted, should private roads be granted as a legitimate salting route? My point is, primary and secondary routes should be gritted. Your drive, regardless of public or private status doesn't and wouldn't qualify. That is why it is a stupid analogy.
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Jan 2 2010, 07:10 PM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Jan 2 2010, 11:58 AM) I'll call your argument stupid when I think it is, however, I never called you stupid, that's the main thing. Whether I know if there are private roads that are primary or secondary routes, or even if there is or not, makes no difference to the argument about your 'grit my drive' analogy. Yet another attempt by you to divert from your erroneous argument.
I repeat, you are attempting to save face by childishly diverting the issue, but my point remains, why would you expect your drive to be salted, should private roads be granted as a legitimate salting route?
My point is, primary and secondary routes should be gritted. Your drive, regardless of public or private status doesn't and wouldn't qualify. That is why it is a stupid analogy. Come on, which private roads are primary or secondary routes in the Newbury area and therefore gritted, stop wriggling. Let's see how stupid the point was by you listing all of them in your next post, last chance to prove me wrong.
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Jan 2 2010, 08:38 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 2 2010, 11:07 AM) A private road is not likely to be a primary or secondary route, just like my drive.
In fact if the point is so stupid please tell us all any private roads in the Newbury area you know of that are primary routes. To my mind this is an analogy which is correct. A private unadopted Road which is what was being discussed may be on a bus route, it may be used as a through road but it is not owned by WBC therefore they have no responsibility to grit or do anything else including getting their contractor to sweep the road or clean out drains. So I agree with User that if they do grit a private road then they could be expected to grit everywhere. As far as the old chestnut about I shouldn't have to pay council tax if the road in front of my house isn't gritted is not valid. All the normal functions of WBC as far as their responsibilities are concerned are carried out including gritting the primary roads that lead to the private estate roads. If you really want your road gritted, there are private contractors who will do this for you if you all have a whip round as do a large number of private companies in the area. I doubt Vodafone was gritted by WBC as suggested earlier and feel sure that one of the private contractors would have been paid to do this.
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Jan 2 2010, 09:25 PM
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QUOTE (Exhausted @ Jan 2 2010, 08:38 PM) To my mind this is an analogy which is correct. A private unadopted Road which is what was being discussed may be on a bus route, it may be used as a through road but it is not owned by WBC therefore they have no responsibility to grit or do anything else including getting their contractor to sweep the road or clean out drains. So I agree with User that if they do grit a private road then they could be expected to grit everywhere. Why? Would either you or user23 explain why a council gritting a private road would make it obligatory for a council to grit someone's drive? I could understand the logic to some degree if all public roads were gritted/salted, but they are not. Being a public road doesn't on its own qualify it to be gritted. So like wise, I cannot see how one can rightly claim that gritting unadopted roads like the one in question, would oblige the council to include people's drives!
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Jan 5 2010, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE (Darren @ Jan 5 2010, 12:36 PM) The problem appears to be with the mines. They currently produce 30,000 tons a week, but have orders for 300,000 tons, Yeah Right Blame it on the miners. Anyone seen Mrs T lately?
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Jan 5 2010, 02:03 PM
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Hmm, maybe if the stocks of salt had been adequate in the first place..... Oh hang on. Weren't we told that they were?
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Jan 5 2010, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE (Roost @ Jan 5 2010, 02:03 PM) Hmm, maybe if the stocks of salt had been adequate in the first place..... Oh hang on. Weren't we told that they were? I think I recall WBC stating that they had adequate supplies of road salt. Guess they underestimated!!!
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Jan 5 2010, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Jan 5 2010, 02:14 PM) I think I recall WBC stating that they had adequate supplies of road salt. Guess they underestimated!!! I expect Mr Spray will go all quiet now or give use the 'unprecedented' or 'extreme' speech. Its Winter. Should we not expect it to be cold and snow?
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