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Apr 22 2020, 05:54 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 22 2020, 05:49 AM) Strawman. No one suggested closingBorders in January.
Should they have joined the EU PPE and ventilator scheme? - Yes. ……..Looks as if we did join, misinformation reflects badly on Civil Service
Would locking down a week earlier have saved thousands of lives? - Yes Hindsight is always 20/20; and 'thousands' is an ungrounded number; misinformation again.
Should those that die in care homes be counted as dead? - Yes They are, but in the formal national statistics. The 'hospital' number is for fast accurate comparator use and an international standard. Great pity we don't teach statistics and interpretation at school. WHO said testing is critical, testing is pointless without fast comparable and reasonably accurate statistics. The sluggish behaviour of the national statistics operation again reflects badly on the Civil Service.
Are we continuing to allow thousands into the country a day unchecked? - Yes Really? ...and 'thousands'
Should Boris Johnson have attended Cobra meetings sooner? - Yes Why? Johnson is actually being Prime Minister, something we've needed for a long time. The operation of Government is working very well and Ministers are now stepping up to the plate and taking responsibility
Is the truth important? - Yes YES, and something that this crisis has shown is lacking in those who are actually paid to seek and defend it. The BBC and Guardian type reporting which has so damaged our political life should now be held to account. They are not the opposition; job in an emergency is to explain.
You are clearly on the extreme right of politics and buy into conspiracy nonsense. Generally where there is a very serious threat to the state, parties come together. The paucity of thought and lack of leadership even now, in our opposition parties means this hasn't happened.
It seems we have been bounced into good governance but that has revealed the dire state of our politics and even more sadly, our senior civil service.
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Apr 22 2020, 06:53 AM
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QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Apr 22 2020, 06:54 AM)
Oh dear. No hope for you at all. I can tell you that most ordinary folk don’t see it the way you do.
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Apr 22 2020, 07:15 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 22 2020, 07:53 AM) Oh dear. No hope for you at all. I can tell you that most ordinary folk don’t see it the way you do. I'll just leave this here... https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articl...ab-32-16-17-aprHow DO YOU define most? Most in your social media echo chamber by chance???
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Apr 22 2020, 08:17 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 22 2020, 08:15 AM) I'll just leave this here... https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articl...ab-32-16-17-aprHow DO YOU define most? Most in your social media echo chamber by chance??? You can't argue with that can you. Strangely the two parties that one would expect to monopolise the media with their particular doctrine on the current position, the Limp Dems and Greens, are conspicuous by their absence, and as this poll shows are losing what little ground they held.
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Apr 22 2020, 10:12 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 22 2020, 07:53 AM) Oh dear. No hope for you at all. I can tell you that most ordinary folk don’t see it the way you do. These would be the same 'ordinary folk' who voted for Brexit then, oh and then reinforced that by giving the left the worst result since WW2. Those folk?
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Apr 23 2020, 07:58 AM
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An interesting development. https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-more...us-zoo-11977342Next thing we know will be millions of moggies being abandoned. This doesn't surprise me and I wonder why other species have not been identified as carriers but I guess we are so concerned with testing ourselves that the animal kingdom get's overlooked. Most virus are species specific and only pose a problem when the mutate and subsequently cross the boundary but if covid 19 is shown to be endemic across all mammals then it's going to be a long year.
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Apr 23 2020, 09:00 AM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 23 2020, 08:58 AM) An interesting development. https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-more...us-zoo-11977342Next thing we know will be millions of moggies being abandoned. This doesn't surprise me and I wonder why other species have not been identified as carriers but I guess we are so concerned with testing ourselves that the animal kingdom get's overlooked. Most virus are species specific and only pose a problem when the mutate and subsequently cross the boundary but if covid 19 is shown to be endemic across all mammals then it's going to be a long year. Really? I call this bull**** clickbaitery. You watch, pretty soon it's going to be the fault of space lizards from dimension zero. People already believe it's caused by 5G so why not?
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Apr 23 2020, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 23 2020, 10:00 AM) Really? I call this bull**** clickbaitery. You watch, pretty soon it's going to be the fault of space lizards from dimension zero. People already believe it's caused by 5G so why not? Which bit do you consider bovine excrement? The bit that says that once a virus takes on zoonotic properties it is a one way passage? Or the fact that this has come from the States where conspiracy theories abound? I certainly am not suggesting that this came from anywhere other than SE China or is being transmitted by all warm blooded animals but if we infect our pets / farm animals etc then we have a real problem. Ask yourself how a tiger which is obviously in captivity managed to become infected? Only one answer and one we should not ignore.
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Apr 23 2020, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 23 2020, 11:21 AM) Which bit do you consider bovine excrement? The bit that says that once a virus takes on zoonotic properties it is a one way passage? Or the fact that this has come from the States where conspiracy theories abound? I certainly am not suggesting that this came from anywhere other than SE China or is being transmitted by all warm blooded animals but if we infect our pets / farm animals etc then we have a real problem. Ask yourself how a tiger which is obviously in captivity managed to become infected? Only one answer and one we should not ignore. Go and get your patches!! https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/...ing-coronavirus
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Apr 23 2020, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 23 2020, 04:33 PM) Maybe the virus prefers a "healthy" host? I can see no scientific reasoning other than, as the report mentioned, that the bronchial tube cells having become coated in tar are less receptive to viral attachment. Bring back tobacco advertising.
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Apr 24 2020, 06:00 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 22 2020, 08:15 AM) I'll just leave this here... https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articl...ab-32-16-17-aprHow DO YOU define most? Most in your social media echo chamber by chance??? I don't have an echo chamber at all actually. I'd say a couple of things though. There's a tendency to rally round the flag in times of crisis. Also - the truth will out. Hancock yesterday was spouting about the new approach of test, track & trace as if it's their idea. The WHO and other leading scientists were telling the government this approacgh combined with an early lockdown in Feb would save lives. Did 25-30,000 people have to die to prove the government were wrong? It was obvious to anyone that applied their mind to it. The **** up will become evident to most normal folk eventually. Don't forget that the press have now turned on Johnson.
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Apr 24 2020, 08:28 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 24 2020, 07:00 AM) I don't have an echo chamber at all actually. I'd say a couple of things though. There's a tendency to rally round the flag in times of crisis. Also - the truth will out. Hancock yesterday was spouting about the new approach of test, track & trace as if it's their idea. The WHO and other leading scientists were telling the government this approacgh combined with an early lockdown in Feb would save lives. Did 25-30,000 people have to die to prove the government were wrong? It was obvious to anyone that applied their mind to it. The **** up will become evident to most normal folk eventually. Don't forget that the press have now turned on Johnson. You should know by now that politicians in general and ministers in particular do not speak the same language as the rest of us. Most of the delay in testing was down to to the fact that the system was quite simply not in place to roll out across the land, but of course they were not going to admit that so when they say "we followed the scientific advice", please read "consecutive governments have failed dismally in preparing for something that regularly occurs but we had other things on our mind". Remember politicians are pretty obtuse or they wouldn't put themselves forward for a job that has more risks than the Somme in '16. I still blame senior civil servants who's position is to advise but obviously they were more concerned with the honours and fat pension awaiting them. The WHO has not come out of this with glowing colours either.
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Apr 24 2020, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 24 2020, 07:00 AM) I don't have an echo chamber at all actually. I'd say a couple of things though. There's a tendency to rally round the flag in times of crisis. Also - the truth will out. Hancock yesterday was spouting about the new approach of test, track & trace as if it's their idea. The WHO and other leading scientists were telling the government this approacgh combined with an early lockdown in Feb would save lives. Did 25-30,000 people have to die to prove the government were wrong? It was obvious to anyone that applied their mind to it. The **** up will become evident to most normal folk eventually. Don't forget that the press have now turned on Johnson. Meanwhile, Labours efforts to defeat the pandemic, BBC News - Coronavirus: Doreen Lawrence to head Labour probe on minorities https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52405243They'll be opening committees next to identify its gender. 🤣🤣🤣
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Apr 24 2020, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 24 2020, 11:40 AM) Meanwhile, Labours efforts to defeat the pandemic, BBC News - Coronavirus: Doreen Lawrence to head Labour probe on minorities https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52405243They'll be opening committees next to identify its gender. 🤣🤣🤣 Of course this virus is a card carrying member of the white supremacy group and the fact that minority groups are paying the ultimate price for it's racist bigotry is unacceptable. FFS!!! What with this obtuse bovine and the president of america suggesting salvation may come in the form of a daily dose of domestos is it any wonder we are struggling to cope with it.
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Apr 24 2020, 01:24 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 24 2020, 01:25 PM) What are they going to do? Check out Covid-19s Instagram , Facebook and Twitter for any signs of right wing tendencies?. You dont need a bloody enquiry to work out why. Larger family groups in inner city densely populated areas, a tendency to be more friendly in greetings, a lack of vitamin D, obesity and a lower average salary resulting in poorer health. There...just saved tens of millions of quid. Well of course if you "reasonably" wealthy middle class individuals denoted 80% of your earnings and your house to those poor individuals who have never been given a fair crack of the whip owing to their ethnic background they wouldn't be in this position. Shame on you middle england.
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Apr 24 2020, 01:26 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 24 2020, 01:31 PM) Tim Wetherspoon is rebranding for the pubs to reopen... Thinking of phoning William Hill's to see what sort of odds they are giving for a run on hospital admittance due to an ingestion of drain cleaner.
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Apr 24 2020, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 24 2020, 07:00 AM) I don't have an echo chamber at all actually. I'd say a couple of things though. There's a tendency to rally round the flag in times of crisis. Also - the truth will out. Hancock yesterday was spouting about the new approach of test, track & trace as if it's their idea. The WHO and other leading scientists were telling the government this approacgh combined with an early lockdown in Feb would save lives. Did 25-30,000 people have to die to prove the government were wrong? It was obvious to anyone that applied their mind to it. The **** up will become evident to most normal folk eventually. Don't forget that the press have now turned on Johnson. Not quite how I recall what was said. In fact, most people I know thought WHO was being unnecessarily obtuse. Hancock is actually doing a pretty good job, trouble is, our media reporters ain't. This morning, the BBCs reporter was deliberately trying to trip him up, woukdn't let him answer fully - so it's pointless having her trying to fulfill BBC duty to inform, rather it's actually dangerous. Sad to see even in this above politics crisis, we still suffer from fake and distorted information from those who purport to be unbiased.
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Apr 24 2020, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Apr 24 2020, 03:20 PM) Not quite how I recall what was said. In fact, most people I know thought WHO was being unnecessarily obtuse. Hancock is actually doing a pretty good job, trouble is, our media reporters ain't. This morning, the BBCs reporter was deliberately trying to trip him up, woukdn't let him answer fully - so it's pointless having her trying to fulfill BBC duty to inform, rather it's actually dangerous. Sad to see even in this above politics crisis, we still suffer from fake and distorted information from those who purport to be unbiased. I have now reached a point where the two channels offering news at breakfast time are minus one viewer. It doesn't matter how may times the question is answered they still ask "When will the lock down be relaxed?" Or "Why don't we follow other Countries and wear face masks?" The media have a responsibility to ask relevant questions and equally to relay government advice. The chief medical officer is the chap who has most of the answers so why question his judgement?
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