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post Feb 26 2019, 07:26 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 26 2019, 07:02 PM) *
I’ve always called out total bollix, you’re quite right.

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post Feb 26 2019, 07:50 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 26 2019, 01:59 PM) *
Indeed the real sheep are the ones voting for the status quo (stay in the EU). The brexiteers have more vision and can see a life outside of the EU superstate.


No Sir, real sheep choose their leaders on their ability to lead the flock and ignore those who think it would be a good wheeze to do so. We could do a lot worse than follow their example.


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post Feb 26 2019, 07:53 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 26 2019, 07:26 PM) *

Interesting. wink.gif

Obviously Newres is just an abbreviation of Newbury resident. I’m guessing TDH is really just a joke about you being short, bald and ugly. tongue.gif
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post Feb 26 2019, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Feb 26 2019, 07:50 PM) *
No Sir, real sheep choose their leaders on their ability to lead the flock and ignore those who think it would be a good wheeze to do so. We could do a lot worse than follow their example.

Since when do sheep choose their leader?
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post Feb 26 2019, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 26 2019, 06:56 PM) *
I’m not a “young” person. The educated v non educated is across the age range so your argument that you can’t substantiate is false.


Educated is the key point, the question is to what level. Like it or not, the highest level of should teach you to think in the abstract and that means testing and challenging accepted norms. Nothing wrong with a 'technical / polytechnic' level, provided that the data that this level needs to perform is accurate and tested.

After the result, the voting data analysis revealed that a significant number of young university graduates voted to remain. That data might not be accurate itself, although random tests suggest it is broadly right.

The analysis I've referred to in earlier posts was not primarily looking at the Brexit vote, ironically, that came later. The original purpose was to test the contention that overall UK educational standards were slipping against international comparitors - inspite of increases in funding.

In reality, the issue isn't with the youngsters, it's with the strategists and deliverers of state education.

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post Feb 26 2019, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 26 2019, 06:00 PM) *
It's actually looking unlikely to end up with a second vote, what we don't need, I certainly don't, is an extension to the whole process, either do it or drop it. It's the uncertainty that's damaging industry.


Yes, undoubtedly. Any business with a yen to survive will want as much certainly as possible for fairly obvious reasons. That doesn't mean they don't want change though, simply time to adapt.
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post Feb 26 2019, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Feb 26 2019, 08:11 PM) *
Educated is the key point, the question is to what level. Like it or not, the highest level of should teach you to think in the abstract and that means testing and challenging accepted norms. Nothing wrong with a 'technical / polytechnic' level, provided that the data that this level needs to perform is accurate and tested.

After the result, the voting data analysis revealed that a significant number of young university graduates voted to remain. That data might not be accurate itself, although random tests suggest it is broadly right.

The analysis I've referred to in earlier posts was not primarily looking at the Brexit vote, ironically, that came later. The original purpose was to test the contention that overall UK educational standards were slipping against international comparitors - inspite of increases in funding.

In reality, the issue isn't with the youngsters, it's with the strategists and deliverers of state education.

I wouldn’t be surprised if our education levels were below some “competing” countries but that’s a different point. It indisputable that the more educated we’re mire likely to vote Remain and I’d argue that this was because education frees people from tribalism.
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post Feb 26 2019, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 26 2019, 07:01 PM) *
Well the pound has soared today. No deal being removed will to a large one extent end the uncertainty and will benefit business. Don’t forget BJ’s “**** business” retort. The side of the Tory party that Amber Rudd and others represent is far more concerned with the success of business than the Leave campaign are. If you truly do run a business you can’t possibly want the kind of “certainty” that no deal offers.


No deal has not been removed, far from it little munchkin.
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post Feb 26 2019, 09:00 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 26 2019, 07:54 PM) *
Since when do sheep choose their leader?

All flocks have a dominant 'lead' member.
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post Feb 26 2019, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 26 2019, 08:55 PM) *
I wouldn’t be surprised if our education levels were below some “competing” countries but that’s a different point. It indisputable that the more educated we’re mire likely to vote Remain and I’d argue that this was because education frees people from tribalism.


Wood yuu like to chek the speeling in your last post. 😂
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post Feb 26 2019, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 26 2019, 09:03 PM) *
Wood yuu like to chek the speeling in your last post. 😂

I’m on the iPhone and actually can’t see what I’m typing after a certain point. But it’s always amusing when somebody that’s banging on about education types a load of crap.
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post Feb 26 2019, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 26 2019, 09:00 PM) *
All flocks have a dominant 'lead' member.

I’m guessing you’ve a more intimate relationship with the local flocks than I have so I bow to your knowledge. tongue.gif
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post Feb 26 2019, 09:10 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 26 2019, 09:05 PM) *
I’m on the iPhone and actually can’t see what I’m typing after a certain point. But it’s always amusing when somebody that’s banging on about education types a load of crap.

Ah, the old, phat phinger, screen's blurry, auto correct, I'm dyslexic pantheon of excuses. Always quick to pick up on other people's errors though, degree boy. 🤗
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 26 2019, 09:07 PM) *
I’m guessing you’ve a more intimate relationship with the local flocks than I have so I bow to your knowledge. tongue.gif

Actually it's more of an interest in the world around me, rather than just Facebook and Google. 🤣
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post Feb 26 2019, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 26 2019, 08:55 PM) *
I wouldn’t be surprised if our education levels were below some “competing” countries but that’s a different point. It indisputable that the more educated we’re mire likely to vote Remain and I’d argue that this was because education frees people from tribalism.


How do you work that out? Clearly you haven't grasped anything I've said, maybe because it's not clear. Nonetheless, your wholly ungrounded last remark rather supports the point about our declining standards.
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post Feb 26 2019, 09:15 PM
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QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Feb 26 2019, 08:18 PM) *
Yes, undoubtedly. Any business with a yen to survive will want as much certainly as possible for fairly obvious reasons. That doesn't mean they don't want change though, simply time to adapt.

Once the deal is done no matter what the outcome there will inevitably be a brief hiatus. Then it will settle and we can continue to grow. I don't see it being a real problem, more a brief spasm or rictus of momentary discomfort.
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post Feb 26 2019, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Feb 26 2019, 09:12 PM) *
How do you work that out? Clearly you haven't grasped anything I've said, maybe because it's not clear. Nonetheless, your wholly ungrounded last remark rather supports the point about our declining standards.

For him that wasn't bad, he used lots of letters, words and even managed to construct a sentence. He just couldn't get any of those things in the right order. 👍
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post Feb 26 2019, 09:20 PM
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Tribalism in the context of the EU is ironic to say the least! It's a tribalist set up, the two founding protagonists Germany and France are well recognised even in the EU itself for their tribalist approach to almost any proposal. We can see the same in Eire and indeed Scotland. So, 'education frees people from tribalisim' doesn't seem to be that true.
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post Feb 26 2019, 09:28 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 26 2019, 09:05 PM) *
I’m on the iPhone and actually can’t see what I’m typing after a certain point. But it’s always amusing when somebody that’s banging on about education types a load of crap.

Oooo.. It's got an iPhone. Bet it's got all the gadgets and drives a 4×4 and then protests about global warming after getting back from a skiing holiday. In fact are you the parent I saw picking up 2 school 6th formers In the 4×4 after there little "protest" rally about the environment in Newbury town centre the other day? Placards in the back of the 4×4 and then home. 🤣🤣🤣
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 26 2019, 09:15 PM) *
Once the deal is done no matter what the outcome there will inevitably be a brief hiatus. Then it will settle and we can continue to grow. I don't see it being a real problem, more a brief spasm or rictus of momentary discomfort.


Yes, I can see that, and the reality of some momentary discomfort. So, I suppose it's a question of how that gets managed politically. There's the old adage of standing firm by putting your collar up turning ar** into the wind whilst the storm rages. Let's face it, like her or not, TM has a backbone of steel and hasn't flinched from her purpose. That's real leadership.
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