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post May 2 2018, 06:40 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 2 2018, 12:43 AM) *
We all do, seeing as we all benefit, whether directly or indirectly.


It's difficult to see who, apart from the passenger, benefits from the subsidy. Arguably, subsidies encourage the sub-optimal use of land for housing and the concentration of commerce in node cities. Issues recognised by economists since the 1900s. To bring back the balance, market forces dogma has it that price and price alone would do that.

If the London peaks were flattened, London employers would not have access to such a large supply of labour and would consequently look at other alternatives, such as moving to other less crowded locations and encouraging the creation of more affordable and comfortable homes in the City itself. So, this effect round here would lead to more firms and so 'easy travel' jobs in Newbury.

So, we are spending money on something not providing much value and arguably quite the reverse, which would be better deployed elsewhere, NHS, Education, Police etc.

Hard I know, but Conservatives are apparently willing to take the long view.


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post May 2 2018, 07:06 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 2 2018, 07:40 AM) *
It's difficult to see who, apart from the passenger, benefits from the subsidy. Arguably, subsidies encourage the sub-optimal use of land for housing and the concentration of commerce in node cities. Issues recognised by economists since the 1900s. To bring back the balance, market forces dogma has it that price and price alone would do that.

If the London peaks were flattened, London employers would not have access to such a large supply of labour and would consequently look at other alternatives, such as moving to other less crowded locations and encouraging the creation of more affordable and comfortable homes in the City itself. So, this effect round here would lead to more firms and so 'easy travel' jobs in Newbury.

So, we are spending money on something not providing much value and arguably quite the reverse, which would be better deployed elsewhere, NHS, Education, Police etc.

Hard I know, but Conservatives are apparently willing to take the long view.

I don’t think it is hard to see the benefits of an inexpensive and reliable rail system for all. Most of the people I’m routinely packed in with appear to be regular Joes.

Our company moved to Reading principally for the rail hub location.
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post May 2 2018, 09:19 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 2 2018, 08:06 AM) *
I don’t think it is hard to see the benefits of an inexpensive and reliable rail system for all. Most of the people I’m routinely packed in with appear to be regular Joes.

Our company moved to Reading principally for the rail hub location.


We'd all like inexpensive everything. Again, like it or not, rail fares are what the market bears, that they are 'packing them in' proves that. As for reliability, the railway industry is arguing that they are investing millions to dramatically improve it. So there is a bit of pain before the job is done. There would be no point if service and standards remain as they are. I agree it's a monopoly service and alternatives are substitutes, however the State appointed Regulator, whose job, by statute, is primarily to protect customer interests, seems to be quite satisfied.

So, in the pure market forces approach we as a nation want, our railway system is working well and effectively. The odd thing is that many still have serious complaints, is that simply a covert personal marketing ploy; never be happy and they'll give you more?





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post May 2 2018, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 2 2018, 10:19 AM) *
We'd all like inexpensive everything. Again, like it or not, rail fares are what the market bears, that they are 'packing them in' proves that. As for reliability, the railway industry is arguing that they are investing millions to dramatically improve it. So there is a bit of pain before the job is done. There would be no point if service and standards remain as they are. I agree it's a monopoly service and alternatives are substitutes, however the State appointed Regulator, whose job, by statute, is primarily to protect customer interests, seems to be quite satisfied.

So, in the pure market forces approach we as a nation want, our railway system is working well and effectively. The odd thing is that many still have serious complaints, is that simply a covert personal marketing ploy; never be happy and they'll give you more?

I didn't say the price was wrong, I just said the price isn't cheap. Since then it looks like you have been attempting to pick a fight in a phone box.

Most people believe train companies are ripping them off

Survey of British train passengers found overall satisfaction was down
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post May 2 2018, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 2 2018, 05:55 PM) *
I didn't say the price was wrong, I just said the price isn't cheap. Since then it looks like you have been attempting to pick a fight in a phone box.

Most people believe train companies are ripping them off

Survey of British train passengers found overall satisfaction was down


So what, I'd put money on 'the public' telling surveys they are being ripped off on anything they pay for. Petrol, beer, electricity, mobile phones, groceries, etc.etc.etc. Again, that's market forces, everyone is trying to pull one over. All I was attempting to do was work out if you had a justifiable grevance. Cheap is a weasle word, one man's cheap is another's expensive.


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post May 2 2018, 07:33 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 2 2018, 06:44 PM) *
So what, I'd put money on 'the public' telling surveys they are being ripped off on anything they pay for. Petrol, beer, electricity, mobile phones, groceries, etc.etc.etc. Again, that's market forces, everyone is trying to pull one over. All I was attempting to do was work out if you had a justifiable grievance. Cheap is a weasle word, one man's cheap is another's expensive.

I do not have a grievance; I just disagreed. You decided to make an issue out of it. If it ain’t cheap for me then it ain’t cheap; period.

It is a mistake on your part to assume common = happy.

My grievance is that I believe train operators are contemptuous of its customers.
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post May 3 2018, 04:51 PM
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I do not have a grievance; I just disagreed. You decided to make an issue out of it. If it ain’t cheap for me then it ain’t cheap; period.

It is a mistake on your part to assume common = happy.

My grievance is that I believe train operators are contemptuous of its customers.


Aren't all commercial companies contemptuous of their customers? Surely as Adam Smith defined all those years ago, that's capitalism.


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post May 3 2018, 05:50 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 3 2018, 05:51 PM) *
Aren't all commercial companies contemptuous of their customers? Surely as Adam Smith defined all those years ago, that's capitalism.

Not apparently if you're Tesla!


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post May 3 2018, 07:07 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 3 2018, 05:51 PM) *
Aren't all commercial companies contemptuous of their customers? Surely as Adam Smith defined all those years ago, that's capitalism.

We can usually choose to avoid those that demonstrably do.
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post May 4 2018, 07:01 AM
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Don't get me wrong, I've merely been parroting the consequences of the ruling political dogma. I can well understand the deep frustrations of railway passengers, particularly commuters. Over the years, its been blindingly obvious that no one, no one at all is listening, let alone even making a few inexpensive gestures to put matters right. The question is then, why? As far as I can see, only a new business model has any chance of delivering let alone sustaining, the service standards needed. The attempting to create a 'market' where one naturally doesn't exist might seem good in theory, but doesn't work in practice - the chosen moderator, the regulation concept has been an expensive failure. Ironically, this is the Conservatives doing what they always castigate Labour about - letting outworn political dogma cloud their judgement.


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post May 15 2018, 10:07 AM
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OK so I can’t get off at Feltham from my carriage, thanks for the warning you POS service!
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post May 15 2018, 03:05 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 15 2018, 11:07 AM) *
OK so I can’t get off at Feltham from my carriage, thanks for the warning you POS service!


Oh well, look on the bright side; you'll enjoy a few jars with the compo!


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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 15 2018, 11:07 AM) *
OK so I can’t get off at Feltham from my carriage, thanks for the warning you POS service!

I've been to Feltham, they did you a favour!


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post May 16 2018, 05:39 PM
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Well, perhaps today's announcement by the Transport Secretary, nationalised using the east coast mainline might provide a solution! Wow, so it takes a Tory Government to show Labour how to deliver Clause 4.


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post May 31 2018, 06:47 AM
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Great effort from our POS rail system.
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post May 31 2018, 08:13 AM
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Apparently it's signalling issues. We have to put up with a bit of inconvenience whilst they bed in the new systems and of course, if it's something our maintenance people can't fix quickly, they have to call on the expertise from Germany, Japan or wherever. At least this way resource costs are kept down.


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post May 31 2018, 09:19 PM
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And then there’s the POS GWR and their shoitey app. My train is 30 minutes delayed. Fine, I’ll stay at work and let the rain ease. Next update the train has vanished; brilliant, so it sped up and I missed it then? Nope, it was there all the time but a bit later and I could have caught it, but its the cattle truck now!
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 31 2018, 10:19 PM) *
And then there’s the POS GWR and their shoitey app. My train is 30 minutes delayed. Fine, I’ll stay at work and let the rain ease. Next update the train has vanished; brilliant, so it sped up and I missed it then? Nope, it was there all the time but a bit later and I could have caught it, but its the cattle truck now!


Ironically, was at a seminar yesterday about UK skills and the future; looks as if we are losing it IT wise, if ever we had it in the first place. Mention made of railway apps. amongst others. As to getting home, whilst chaos reigns, what about the alternatives? One of my neighbours gets a cab when things get sticky.


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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 1 2018, 07:00 AM) *
Ironically, was at a seminar yesterday about UK skills and the future; looks as if we are losing it IT wise, if ever we had it in the first place. Mention made of railway apps. amongst others. As to getting home, whilst chaos reigns, what about the alternatives? One of my neighbours gets a cab when things get sticky.

My annoyance was the poor quality of the app; getting home wasn’t really the issue.
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