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post Apr 27 2018, 08:46 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 27 2018, 09:14 AM) *
Bloody 2 carriages for the 08:58! GWR tossers.

Punish the cheapskates using a cheap day return.😂
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post Apr 27 2018, 09:41 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 27 2018, 09:46 AM) *
Punish the cheapskates using a cheap day return.😂


With you there! Even worse are the cheapskates in the morning rush trying to get the first class seats reduced. If people want high city wages, then stop freeloading on the travel cost.


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post Apr 27 2018, 11:44 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 27 2018, 09:46 AM) *
Punish the cheapskates using a cheap day return.😂

“Cheap”? ohmy.gif
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post Apr 28 2018, 07:33 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 28 2018, 12:44 AM) *
“Cheap”? ohmy.gif

Relatively?
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post Apr 28 2018, 09:37 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 28 2018, 08:33 AM) *
Relatively?

I prefer ‘off-peak’. There’s nothing cheap about our railway, except the quality.

I also notice the ticket office now issue the crap ticket design the self service machines issue.
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post Apr 29 2018, 12:28 PM
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Surely ticket prices even at peak times are reasonable? Market forces are working, passengers, in large numbers, are willing to pay the price asked rather than use the alternatives. Sure, they grumble, but then people grumble about the price of many other things.


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post Apr 29 2018, 01:48 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 29 2018, 01:28 PM) *
Surely ticket prices even at peak times are reasonable? Market forces are working, passengers, in large numbers, are willing to pay the price asked rather than use the alternatives. Sure, they grumble, but then people grumble about the price of many other things.


Quite. And when the railway doesn't work you have the bus. 2 hours to get from Reading when it normally takes 15 mins on the train!! Took half an hour to get out of the car park!!
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post Apr 29 2018, 02:49 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 29 2018, 02:48 PM) *
Quite. And when the railway doesn't work you have the bus. 2 hours to get from Reading when it normally takes 15 mins on the train!! Took half an hour to get out of the car park!!


But it IS an alternative and there are others, a motor bike or scooter for instance. Equally, simply getting up earlier is another. Then, we hear so much about working from home and flexible hours, another is to travel outside the peaks. Businesses are obliged to let their staff alter start and finish hours these days, subject to negotiation of course. If you want the higher earnings commuting brings, be prepared to pay the price. Why should the rest if us subsidise already padded earnings?


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post Apr 29 2018, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 29 2018, 01:28 PM) *
Surely ticket prices even at peak times are reasonable? Market forces are working, passengers, in large numbers, are willing to pay the price asked rather than use the alternatives. Sure, they grumble, but then people grumble about the price of many other things.

Market forces are not working, as I am not able to choose an alternative train they have a captive customer base.

I would use a car except I have incorporated the 2 mile walk to the station as a part of my weekly exercise routine.

As for the options, I am aware of the options; however, that doesn’t invalidate my entitlement to complain; HOWEVER, I wasn’t originally complaining about the price, as uncheap as it is, it was the shoddy service.
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post Apr 29 2018, 09:29 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 29 2018, 02:48 PM) *
Quite. And when the railway doesn't work you have the bus. 2 hours to get from Reading when it normally takes 15 mins on the train!! Took half an hour to get out of the car park!!

I avoid rush hour going home; the direct bus takes about an hour after rush hour.

The bus is quite pleasant actually; comfy seat all to yourself. The down side is that I am charged peak rate to get me in to Reading at the same time as the cheap rate train.
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post Apr 29 2018, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 29 2018, 03:49 PM) *
If you want the higher earnings commuting brings, be prepared to pay the price. Why should the rest if us subsidise already padded earnings?

Because many people use the service including the less socially mobile and essential service staff.
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post Apr 30 2018, 06:45 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 29 2018, 10:22 PM) *
Market forces are not working, as I am not able to choose an alternative train they have a captive customer base.

I would use a car except I have incorporated the 2 mile walk to the station as a part of my weekly exercise routine.

As for the options, I am aware of the options; however, that doesn’t invalidate my entitlement to complain; HOWEVER, I wasn’t originally complaining about the price, as uncheap as it is, it was the shoddy service.


Well, as was forcably pointed out to some colleagues of mine, arguing with a Conservative MP, market forces are working and demonstrating the railway service is acceptable and adequate.

Yes, the franchise makes the railway service a minopoly, but it's role is in providing a means of transport, so there are viable substitutes. Secondly, because some of the other market elements, as seen in the Porter model are absent, the Government has appointed a Regulator to represent the customer.

As definitions of what represents good service is almost personal, the only real measure of satisfaction is price. So, if for the level of business the operators want and the price they set is accepted by the customers - all is well. Any customer that still feels dissatisfied can complain to the Regulator. If he has what he deems a sufficient number of complaints, then he is obliged to act.

So, right now, customers are still paying, not choosing the substitute, and not complaining, therefore, the railways are therefore doing a good job.


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post Apr 30 2018, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 30 2018, 07:45 AM) *
Well, as was forcably pointed out to some colleagues of mine, arguing with a Conservative MP, market forces are working and demonstrating the railway service is acceptable and adequate.

Yes, the franchise makes the railway service a minopoly, but it's role is in providing a means of transport, so there are viable substitutes. Secondly, because some of the other market elements, as seen in the Porter model are absent, the Government has appointed a Regulator to represent the customer.

As definitions of what represents good service is almost personal, the only real measure of satisfaction is price. So, if for the level of business the operators want and the price they set is accepted by the customers - all is well. Any customer that still feels dissatisfied can complain to the Regulator. If he has what he deems a sufficient number of complaints, then he is obliged to act.

So, right now, customers are still paying, not choosing the substitute, and not complaining, therefore, the railways are therefore doing a good job.

None of that = cheap.
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post May 1 2018, 05:48 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 30 2018, 02:35 PM) *
None of that = cheap.


You'll only get cheap if someone subsidises, i.e. someone takes a hit. Why should the railway staff, directors and shareholders take a hit simply to subsidise the life styles of others? Would you do more than you need to for customers at work for no reward?


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post May 1 2018, 07:04 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 1 2018, 06:48 AM) *
You'll only get cheap if someone subsidises, i.e. someone takes a hit. Why should the railway staff, directors and shareholders take a hit simply to subsidise the life styles of others? Would you do more than you need to for customers at work for no reward?

I’m sorry, but that routinely happens in many professions to people paid poorly; however, I maintain: it is not cheap.
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post May 1 2018, 08:32 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 1 2018, 08:04 AM) *
I’m sorry, but that routinely happens in many professions to people paid poorly; however, I maintain: it is not cheap.


Cheap is always going to depend on your perspective. My sister thinks parking cars in Newbury is cheap; compared to where she lives it is. Arguably both are the right price. Same with the train, the fare is right. I'd certainly accept that the cost of commuting is high, however the real alternative for those not wanting to commute would be to relocate nearer to the place of employment. As many discover, the additional cost of housing then kicks in and eats any benefit.

So, OK, I agree, the price isn't cheap, it's simply right. Arguably, market forces dictate you only get 'cheap' when the seller wants something in return and cheap will last only so long as that want isn't satisfied.

There is always a reason for people doing more than they need. That's a market forces fundamental. Even if it's satisfying a personal want for kudos; that's the reward being sought. People with a yen for caring become nurses and people who like exerting power over others end up in the Police force.


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post May 1 2018, 10:12 AM
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Now here's the thing, I think it should be a **** site cheaper. If we want to entice more people to use public transport we should make it cheaper, and more frequent, and more reliable. It should never be the option of last resort for some people.
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post May 1 2018, 10:43 AM
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Now here's the thing, I think it should be a **** site cheaper. If we want to entice more people to use public transport we should make it cheaper, and more frequent, and more reliable. It should never be the option of last resort for some people.


And who is going to pay for this? Unfortunately we still subsidise many public transport services, train and bus. It might be a superficially attractive proposition but who is going to pick up the tab?

Labour are proposing 'free travel' for youngsters, but arguably that's nothing more than actually getting a return on the subsidy cash already being paid out. Labour seem to be learning how market driven economics work; worrying isn't it.


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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 1 2018, 11:43 AM) *
And who is going to pay for this? Unfortunately we still subsidise many public transport services, train and bus. It might be a superficially attractive proposition but who is going to pick up the tab?

Labour are proposing 'free travel' for youngsters, but arguably that's nothing more than actually getting a return on the subsidy cash already being paid out. Labour seem to be learning how market driven economics work; worrying isn't it.

You would think so, but no. Its going to be paid for by 'ringfencing' VED payments, possibly up to the tune of £10b. That's a lot of nurses and policemen, even allowing for the shadow home secretaries math skills. Its just Labour 'clickbait' for the under 21's. next step will be offering 12 months unlimited music streaming! 'cos why not, Politicians are whores so they figure why not buy the votes? It's all going to come out of our pockets, they just won't tell you that.


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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 1 2018, 11:43 AM) *
And who is going to pay for this? Unfortunately we still subsidise many public transport services, train and bus. It might be a superficially attractive proposition but who is going to pick up the tab?

We all do, seeing as we all benefit, whether directly or indirectly.
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