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post Jun 6 2017, 06:41 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 6 2017, 07:20 PM) *
Just keep sending money to racists and cry yourself to sleep.

Pardon me, but are you even classified as sane?


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post Jun 6 2017, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 6 2017, 07:41 PM) *
Pardon me, but are you even classified as sane?


I would think not.

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post Jun 6 2017, 07:24 PM
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Anyone who picks Abbott for the shadow cabinet shouldn't be in charge of the country.
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post Jun 6 2017, 07:41 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 6 2017, 08:24 PM) *
Anyone who picks Abbott for the shadow cabinet shouldn't be in charge of the country.

My point exactly.


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post Jun 6 2017, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 6 2017, 08:24 PM) *
Anyone who picks Abbott for the shadow cabinet shouldn't be in charge of the country.

I'd rather have her as home secretary than a bed felliow. biggrin.gif
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post Jun 6 2017, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 6 2017, 09:19 PM) *
I'd rather have her as home secretary than a bed felliow. biggrin.gif

You, me, the rest of the world. But apparently Jeremy thought it ok, still trust his judgement? 😂


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post Jun 6 2017, 08:28 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 6 2017, 09:25 PM) *
You, me, the rest of the world. But apparently Jeremy thought it ok, still trust his judgement? 😂

When he suggested 69 she got very confused.😂
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post Jun 6 2017, 08:42 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 6 2017, 09:28 PM) *
When he suggested 69 she got very confused.😂

It's interesting though that the two MPs that were pilloried in the 80s were her and Bernie Grant. Admittedly they were very "of the street". I mean by that representative and fiercely protective of their constituents, but it's hard to believe that there wasn't an element of racism there. I'm pretty certain that close study of the press cuttings over the years would reveal it. The accusation of racism against her was ridiculous and in itself was racist I felt.
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post Jun 6 2017, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 6 2017, 09:42 PM) *
It's interesting though that the two MPs that were pilloried in the 80s were her and Bernie Grant. Admittedly they were very "of the street". I mean by that representative and fiercely protective of their constituents, but it's hard to believe that there wasn't an element of racism there. I'm pretty certain that close study of the press cuttings over the years would reveal it. The accusation of racism against her was ridiculous and in itself was racist I felt.


I do think that racism was a big problem in the 80s. But we have thankfully moved on a **** of a lot since then. Abbott is incompetent and you do wonder if she has only got so far because of political correctness. I would hope people are promoted on ability.. and nothing else.
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post Jun 6 2017, 08:56 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 6 2017, 09:42 PM) *
It's interesting though that the two MPs that were pilloried in the 80s were her and Bernie Grant. Admittedly they were very "of the street". I mean by that representative and fiercely protective of their constituents, but it's hard to believe that there wasn't an element of racism there. I'm pretty certain that close study of the press cuttings over the years would reveal it. The accusation of racism against her was ridiculous and in itself was racist I felt.

Totally agree. 👏
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post Jun 6 2017, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 6 2017, 09:55 PM) *
I do think that racism was a big problem in the 80s. But we have thankfully moved on a **** of a lot since then. Abbott is incompetent and you do wonder if she has only got so far because of political correctness. I would hope people are promoted on ability.. and nothing else.


Quite why the big firey place that the devil lives in is a banned word is anyones guess!!!
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post Jun 6 2017, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 6 2017, 09:57 PM) *
Quite why the big firey place that the devil lives in is a banned word is anyones guess!!!

Associated with Christianity perchance? Although I believe that, 'that word' was handed down through Norse legend? Was Hel not the name of the goddess who held sway over the kingdom of the dead where you went if you hadn't fallen in battle?
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post Jun 6 2017, 09:14 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 6 2017, 09:55 PM) *
I do think that racism was a big problem in the 80s. But we have thankfully moved on a **** of a lot since then. Abbott is incompetent and you do wonder if she has only got so far because of political correctness. I would hope people are promoted on ability.. and nothing else.

Abbott has been pretty dreadful, but so too has Amber Rudd, yet Rudd hasn't been pilloried. I don't think Abbott has been attacked just because she is an out-spoken powerful black woman, but she's certainly been attacked for being a somewhat inept out-spoken powerful black woman in a way that a somewhat inept powerful white bloke wouldn't have been. I think there are better candidates for the job of home secretary.


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post Jun 6 2017, 09:18 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jun 6 2017, 10:14 PM) *
Abbott has been pretty dreadful, but so too has Amber Rudd, yet Rudd hasn't been pilloried. I don't think Abbott has been attacked just because she is an out-spoken powerful black woman, but she's certainly been attacked for being a somewhat inept out-spoken powerful black woman in a way that a somewhat inept powerful white bloke wouldn't have been. I think there are better candidates for the job of home secretary.


Rudd has been bad yes but ahe has just lost her father. And shes not in Abbotts league for incompetence. And inept white blokes are given dogs abuse as well. Mr Trump being the obvious one. I can't really see a comic thinking it funny to depict Diane Abbott with her head cut off....
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post Jun 6 2017, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jun 6 2017, 10:14 PM) *
Abbott has been pretty dreadful, but so too has Amber Rudd, yet Rudd hasn't been pilloried. I don't think Abbott has been attacked just because she is an out-spoken powerful black woman, but she's certainly been attacked for being a somewhat inept out-spoken powerful black woman in a way that a somewhat inept powerful white bloke wouldn't have been. I think there are better candidates for the job of home secretary.

Whoa! Hang on there, what about the ridicule directed at Boris, what about the rather snide song directed at TM, its nothing to do with her being black or female its because she's lazy and no good at her job. Saying that criticism of her is due to 'racism' or feminism is wrong, its belittles the cause and it damages decades of hard work put in to stamp out those twin evils. And it makes me as mad as **** when liberals start flinging accusations around which are both counterproductive and just plain transparent.
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post Jun 6 2017, 09:26 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 6 2017, 10:18 PM) *
Rudd has been bad yes but ahe has just lost her father. And shes not in Abbotts league for incompetence. And inept white blokes are given dogs abuse as well. Mr Trump being the obvious one. I can't really see a comic thinking it funny to depict Diane Abbott with her head cut off....

Yes, but that was satire, do it with Ms Abbott's head and it's a hate crime.
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post Jun 6 2017, 09:29 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 6 2017, 10:26 PM) *
Yes, but that was satire, do it with Ms Abbott's head and it's a hate crime.

Fair enough.


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post Jun 6 2017, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 6 2017, 10:24 PM) *
Whoa! Hang on there, what about the ridicule directed at Boris, what about the rather snide song directed at TM, its nothing to do with her being black or female its because she's lazy and no good at her job. Saying that criticism of her is due to 'racism' or feminism is wrong, its belittles the cause and it damages decades of hard work put in to stamp out those twin evils. And it makes me as mad as **** when liberals start flinging accusations around which are both counterproductive and just plain transparent.


Its Ok to be nasty to Boris or May though because thay are white bumbling idiots and liars. You cannoot be nasty to incompetent Abbott cos if you do you are a racist. Some people really cannot see past the end of the nose on the face they own. And only choose to focus on the abuse that none whites get as it suits an agenda.
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post Jun 6 2017, 09:58 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jun 6 2017, 10:29 PM) *
Fair enough.

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post Jun 6 2017, 11:22 PM
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I had some hopes for Cameron and May but those hopes were blown to smithereens. The Tory manifesto is more about what they are not saying. Corbyn hasn't appeared to be the evil man he has been painted by the press and argues well in my view, but I cannot see him running a country; I see him being a pushover by the unions.
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