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post May 29 2017, 02:24 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 29 2017, 01:12 PM) *
Actually old bean British management has been by and large asleep at the wheel since 1945! Look if you will at the British motor industry (Inc motorcycles) at one time we were amongst the best in the world, a fact that can be demonstrated by the fact that the Morris Oxford and the Enfield Bullet are still manufactered in India and still doing sterling work. But then we went to sleep. Badge engineering became our forte, swapping whatever still remained in parts bins for innovation, new model year? "Paint it a different colour" was the credo of the day. Old tooling, old ideas and a steadfast refusal to do anything new or innovative. And, in the face of rising foreign competition just bury the head in the sand. Remember the scorn poured on the heads of Japanese manufacturers? Sure, the unions did far more than their share of damage but it was little more than felling an already dead tree.


Quite. Indeed Stafford Cripps, one of those detested socialists actually saw this and tried to do something about it. ironically, given your example, was actually laughed at! Who by? The British Motor industry at an executive conference? Who failed to invest, even when told if the threats? Step forward financier directors like Jack Sangster and Bernard Docker who mortally damaged UK motorcycle industry. Odd, it was generally Labour initiatives trying to increase British management capability but having to fight Tory obstructionism all the way. Then one wonders how the Japs stormed ahead, again, it was a British management gyru showing them the way; which involved embrasing the workforce. Sure, it's easy to blame UK trades unions, but a quick look at how workers were treated reveals that managements probably got off lightly. Since then, we simply sold out and like most bent bubble promoters have ended up living off the capital account ever since.


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post May 29 2017, 03:21 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 29 2017, 02:27 PM) *
You type without fail utter nonsense. You never make a serious contribution.


https://mobile.twitter.com/HackneyAbbott/st...161660874858497

Yep. Blame the government and security forces. And she'd be Home Secretary.
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post May 29 2017, 04:16 PM
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https://mobile.twitter.com/HackneyAbbott/st...161660874858497

Yep. Blame the government and security forces. And she'd be Home Secretary.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l-lJZiqZaGA
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post May 29 2017, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 29 2017, 02:26 PM) *
I'm sure you can Google those countries to see why they are being attacked (clue: they have forces in or involved Afghanistan/Iraq/Libya/Syria etc.)

It's a myth that education and health are suffering due to immigration. They are suffering due to massive cuts under the Conservative austerity measures.

Labour's foreign policy under Blair was a betrayal in my opinion. He is a war criminal and should be locked up..... but Labour did a lot that was good and Corbyn has always opposed our involvement in those wars.

My sister in law teaches in a school in Rochdale, eighty percent of her kids don't speak English, in her class only three speak any English and the others share five mother tongues between them. They do their best but at best it's next to hopeless. And that's only going to get worse. Your right about our Tony but let's not forget even labour has done damage, deregulation of gambling, all day drinking, I could if I wanted waste my time looking for more examples but those two on their own have wrecked homes, marriages and lives.

The NHS is easy to solve, if you're in work and can afford it you make a contribution at the point of access, on benefits it's free, over sixty it's free, non residents pay as does everyone else who has not been a resident for at least three years.


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post May 29 2017, 04:38 PM
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Keep up the good work traitor. You need the men in white coats.

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post May 29 2017, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 29 2017, 05:33 PM) *
My sister in law teaches in a school in Rochdale, eighty percent of her kids don't speak English, in her class only three speak any English and the others share five mother tongues between them. They do their best but at best it's next to hopeless. And that's only going to get worse. Your right about our Tony but let's not forget even labour has done damage, deregulation of gambling, all day drinking, I could if I wanted waste my time looking for more examples but those two on their own have wrecked homes, marriages and lives.

The NHS is easy to solve, if you're in work and can afford it you make a contribution at the point of access, on benefits it's free, over sixty it's free, non residents pay as does everyone else who has not been a resident for at least three years.


No problems in Rochdale I am aware of. Newres would be happy for his kids to attend school in the town and meet the nice locals. What could possibly go wrong?
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post May 29 2017, 04:51 PM
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Before we go further, I am in no way 'anti labour' as a party it can and has done a very great deal to build this country, it's just I honestly believe that this far left bunch are bent on a crusade to damage our society beyond repair. I'm (luckily) reached an age where I have worked under many governments of both colours so I do have some experience to draw down. I've worked in garages, machine shops, factories and sales, I know how to work. My father and his father worked in the Welsh pits and my father started work, in a coalmine at age fourteen, I know what hardship and deprivation really are but, my father always voted (in my lifetime) conservative because he wanted a better life. I am sensible enough to realise he was right. If a better alternative to the Tory government comes along I might vote for it, but this ain't it. Not by a long chalk.


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post May 29 2017, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 29 2017, 05:51 PM) *
Before we go further, I am in no way 'anti labour' as a party it can and has done a very great deal to build this country, it's just I honestly believe that this far left bunch are bent on a crusade to damage our society beyond repair. I'm (luckily) reached an age where I have worked under many governments of both colours so I do have some experience to draw down. I've worked in garages, machine shops, factories and sales, I know how to work. My father and his father worked in the Welsh pits and my father started work, in a coalmine at age fourteen, I know what hardship and deprivation really are but, my father always voted (in my lifetime) conservative because he wanted a better life. I am sensible enough to realise he was right. If a better alternative to the Tory government comes along I might vote for it, but this ain't it. Not by a long chalk.


Its frightening that so many so called educated people have fallen for this pile of tosh. Newres is typical. Ex London. Moved to Newbury. Probably never remembers a true "Labour" government. Blair after all was Tory light. Its akin to France voting Le Pen in. But..it is a democracy so if thats what people want....
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post May 29 2017, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 29 2017, 06:05 PM) *
Its frightening that so many so called educated people have fallen for this pile of tosh. Newres is typical. Ex London. Moved to Newbury. Probably never remembers a true "Labour" government. Blair after all was Tory light. Its akin to France voting Le Pen in. But..it is a democracy so if thats what people want....

How on earth can voting Labour be akin to voting Le Pen? More nonsense alongside calling me a traitor. Talk about being from the past.... rolleyes.gif
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post May 29 2017, 05:21 PM
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How on earth can voting Labour be akin to voting Le Pen? More nonsense alongside calling me a traitor. Talk about being from the past.... rolleyes.gif


Both exremists old boy. Le Pen far right. Corbyn far left. Wrong?
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post May 29 2017, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 29 2017, 06:21 PM) *
Both exremists old boy. Le Pen far right. Corbyn far left. Wrong?

Yes, wrong. Le Pen is from an extreme and non mainstream party whereas Corbyn is the leader of the Labour party. A mainstream party with years of government already
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post May 29 2017, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 29 2017, 05:51 PM) *
Before we go further, I am in no way 'anti labour' as a party it can and has done a very great deal to build this country, it's just I honestly believe that this far left bunch are bent on a crusade to damage our society beyond repair. I'm (luckily) reached an age where I have worked under many governments of both colours so I do have some experience to draw down. I've worked in garages, machine shops, factories and sales, I know how to work. My father and his father worked in the Welsh pits and my father started work, in a coalmine at age fourteen, I know what hardship and deprivation really are but, my father always voted (in my lifetime) conservative because he wanted a better life. I am sensible enough to realise he was right. If a better alternative to the Tory government comes along I might vote for it, but this ain't it. Not by a long chalk.


A better life under the Tories eh?

Education standards rock bottom
Firms taken over by foreign owners so no chance of promotion
Homes our kids can't afford until they are well past middle age
Poor quality and limited amount of homes to rent
Outlandish university fees to be repaid by salary deduction
Savings interest rates rock bottom
Extortionate community charges for less and less in return
NHS near to collapse
Zero hour contracts the norm
(Cont p.95)

When does this 'better life' start to get a mention?


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post May 29 2017, 05:50 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 29 2017, 06:27 PM) *
Yes, wrong. Le Pen is from an extreme and non mainstream party whereas Corbyn is the leader of the Labour party. A mainstream party with years of government already

Very Wrong. Its not Labour. It's momentum and the left wing radicals that have infested the party. Far left. Far right. Its just far left is OK with you. Whats that smell? Oh its coffee. Wake up.😘
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 29 2017, 06:47 PM) *
A better life under the Tories eh?

Education standards rock bottom
Firms taken over by foreign owners so no chance of promotion
Homes our kids can't afford until they are well past middle age
Poor quality and limited amount of homes to rent
Outlandish university fees to be repaid by salary deduction
Savings interest rates rock bottom
Extortionate community charges for less and less in return
NHS near to collapse
Zero hour contracts the norm
(Cont p.95)

When does this 'better life' start to get a mention?

A better life for him and his family and he succeeded.


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post May 29 2017, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 29 2017, 07:05 PM) *
A better life for him and his family and he succeeded.


Just a shame no one else will be able to do the same; no matter how hard they work or his clever they are. Nice!


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post May 29 2017, 06:36 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 29 2017, 07:29 PM) *
Just a shame no one else will be able to do the same; no matter how hard they work or his clever they are. Nice!

I did it, am I really that special?


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post May 29 2017, 06:49 PM
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I did it, am I really that special?


So did I. Amazing. Bl00dy miricale.😂😂
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post May 29 2017, 06:53 PM
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And me! We must be a very exclusive club! We must get together and roast a peasant one night. 🤣
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post May 29 2017, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 29 2017, 07:36 PM) *
I did it, am I really that special?


Now that invites several questions; first how high the bar? Do you have children still at school; what chance do they have?

For me, I had a similar background and some 40 plus years ago as a secondary school leaver managed to get a basic clerking job with a big firm. Earning around the basic wage for the time, we just about managed to buy a small town terraced house. The firm gave me the opportunity to pursue further education successfully to degree level and riding the then IT centric wave, managed a pretty good wage. My own children managed to secure Russell Group degrees, but to exploit them have moved to London and other SE towns where they'd jump at the chance of buying even a small one bed flat for 3 times salary. Most of the firms I had anything to do with are now in foreign hands headquartered overseas. Similarly, the strategic IT part is either outsourced to American consultants and increasingly delivered on by business in the Indian sub continent. Semi retired, I'm fortunate enough to meet business people of all disciplines and with very few exceptions, are just as disillusioned about the future as I am.


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post May 29 2017, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 29 2017, 07:53 PM) *
And me! We must be a very exclusive club! We must get together and roast a peasant one night. 🤣


I'd suggest newres but his meat would be a bit red for my tastes. laugh.gif
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