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May 28 2017, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 28 2017, 09:30 PM) Rather interesting this. It's arguably the Tory arms dealers who live terrorists, unloading weapons to some very unsavoury regimes all in the interests of world peace of course. Then, as to milking the State, yes people do that, the dreadful Mrs Miggins and her ilk getting a few grand by fraudulent claims. Pales into insignificance against what the Bankers have leeched out of the exchequer! And what did we do about them? Throw them in jug and deduct it from future benefit payments? Nah, we doshed up even more and still they get stupendous bonuses.
Yes, even now there are people scrubbing around for food, in Newbury, rich, wealthy Newbury, there is a very active Food Bank.
Small businesses? Our Tory chums have done a great deal for them haven't they? Those wonderful bankers had to be almost forced to start lending again. Then, my oh my, we uncover a scam, initially denied by the bank that was actually bankrupting these people.
If that's what strong and stable Government brings; I'll take my chance on the tip! Cos all tories are arms dealers. Even the the little old ladies. Die old ladies die. So the youth can inherit the wealth. I used to go a few days without food when I was a youngun...but hey it was my choice I spent it on beer. I wonder how many food bankers smoke and drink? They should give benefits in vouchers for food only. I GUARANTEE you that the use of food banks would be at least halved. Probably more than half... But that would be against uman rights eh...
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May 28 2017, 10:28 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 28 2017, 09:30 PM) If that's what strong and stable Government brings; I'll take my chance on the tip! Be very careful what you wish for.
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May 29 2017, 05:35 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 28 2017, 08:37 PM) Then I guess you're not paying them. I'm uncomfortable because I am. It will rise to 23% but in addition I have to pay tax on dividends so it's paid twice. Add to that the burden of workplace pensions and there is a large load on small businesses yet Corbyn implies that we don't pay our share.
Some of his views are "them and us". Very 70s. Why not just put income tax up then everyone pays? Don't worry. Income tax will have to rise. A lot
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May 29 2017, 06:02 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 29 2017, 06:35 AM) Don't worry. Income tax will have to rise. A lot I don't mind an increase. 2%? At least it doesn't feel as though I'm being accused of not paying my share even though I'm collecting VAT (much of which I can't pass on), paying PAYE and NI for four employees, tax on profit and tax on dividends.
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May 29 2017, 06:09 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 28 2017, 10:05 PM) Cos all tories are arms dealers. Even the the little old ladies. Die old ladies die. So the youth can inherit the wealth. I used to go a few days without food when I was a youngun...but hey it was my choice I spent it on beer. I wonder how many food bankers smoke and drink? They should give benefits in vouchers for food only. I GUARANTEE you that the use of food banks would be at least halved. Probably more than half... But that would be against uman rights eh... As you so well explain, Tory philosophy is all about supporting and strengthening human nature. I have two cows, but I have to have yours as well and if you don't give it to me, I'll hurt you. Yes, I'm Phil I've got all the shares in this company; so that means I own you too. Very few of us work for our own account, but never mind, just like Phil's slave, once the boss has finished with us, there are always food vouchers to fall back on. Actually, that's quite a good idea; why aren't pensions and public service wages paid out as vouchers; after all for key workers we have discounted homes? So yes, your idea might well halve food bank use. Any ideas about how to get rid of them altogether? Umm, on balance I'd rather have human rights than human nature thanks!
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May 29 2017, 06:12 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 29 2017, 07:02 AM) I don't mind an increase. 2%? At least it doesn't feel as though I'm being accused of not paying my share even though I'm collecting VAT (much of which I can't pass on), paying PAYE and NI for four employees, tax on profit and tax on dividends. Running a business is clearly a skill; something that's actually missing from our national curriculum.
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May 29 2017, 08:00 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 28 2017, 08:37 PM) Some of his views are "them and us". Very 70s. Why not just put income tax up then everyone pays? You can't just create wealth by simply putting up tax. Wealth has to be created before you can spend it. Increasing taxation leaves the country just as poor as it was before.
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May 29 2017, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 29 2017, 09:00 AM) You can't just create wealth by simply putting up tax. Wealth has to be created before you can spend it. Increasing taxation leaves the country just as poor as it was before. Poorer actually, heavier taxation means less money in the pocket, less money means you can afford less. Spending goes down, less sales, less vat, less jobs, economy goes into a death spiral. Listen, when you take away the elements of "its going to be lovely, fluffy kittens, roses round the door, everyone skipping and singing" what you're left with is unrealistic, uncosted votes at any price political fog. I've seen this before, I've tried to work through it, and it always ends up failing. Why do the Tories always get back in? If, if labour had a viable plan I might even vote for them, but this bunch is just totally beyond the pale. People say "Jeremy's fresh with new ways of looking at things" yes, well that was said about T Blair and look where that ended up! I'm sorry, but apart from the uncosted, the Trotskyite and the outright mad, nothing will be implemented. And when the promised land never happens, when the left are all strangely silent, when poverty is rife and food banks are the only growth 'industry' what then? Your kidding yourselves, talk to people who survived the 70's, the people who have in fact "been there, done that" the people who have experienced it. Then, and only then (if you bother to listen) will you begin to have a clue as to what's about to happen to you. But this time it's just going to be worse. Much worse.
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May 29 2017, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 29 2017, 09:26 AM) Poorer actually, heavier taxation means less money in the pocket, less money means you can afford less. Spending goes down, less sales, less vat, less jobs, economy goes into a death spiral. Listen, when you take away the elements of "its going to be lovely, fluffy kittens, roses round the door, everyone skipping and singing" what you're left with is unrealistic, uncosted votes at any price political fog. I've seen this before, I've tried to work through it, and it always ends up failing. Why do the Tories always get back in? If, if labour had a viable plan I might even vote for them, but this bunch is just totally beyond the pale. People say "Jeremy's fresh with new ways of looking at things" yes, well that was said about T Blair and look where that ended up! I'm sorry, but apart from the uncosted, the Trotskyite and the outright mad, nothing will be implemented. And when the promised land never happens, when the left are all strangely silent, when poverty is rife and food banks are the only growth 'industry' what then? Your kidding yourselves, talk to people who survived the 70's, the people who have in fact "been there, done that" the people who have experienced it. Then, and only then (if you bother to listen) will you begin to have a clue as to what's about to happen to you. But this time it's just going to be worse. Much worse. Spot on old son! Absolutely right. The Tory side needs no explanation, they are simply going for broke in their usual manner, but now with the brakes off. So, whichever way you vote, the result is going to be worse. So why vote, and why vote Labour? Simply, inspite of all, they are possibly the only party likely to listen, even if just a little. That's the minute glimmer of hope! LibDems will simply slip back into bed with the Tories, pants down. Listen? Yeah like they do round here. And, Mrs M will use it to deliver the Tory dream, which doesn't include us. So Labour, just a minute hope. However, it's really going to be up to us. How many of us really do get involved with their local party and particularly afterwards?
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May 29 2017, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 29 2017, 09:26 AM) Poorer actually, heavier taxation means less money in the pocket, less money means you can afford less. Spending goes down, less sales, less vat, less jobs, economy goes into a death spiral. Listen, when you take away the elements of "its going to be lovely, fluffy kittens, roses round the door, everyone skipping and singing" what you're left with is unrealistic, uncosted votes at any price political fog. I've seen this before, I've tried to work through it, and it always ends up failing. Why do the Tories always get back in? If, if labour had a viable plan I might even vote for them, but this bunch is just totally beyond the pale. People say "Jeremy's fresh with new ways of looking at things" yes, well that was said about T Blair and look where that ended up! I'm sorry, but apart from the uncosted, the Trotskyite and the outright mad, nothing will be implemented. And when the promised land never happens, when the left are all strangely silent, when poverty is rife and food banks are the only growth 'industry' what then? Your kidding yourselves, talk to people who survived the 70's, the people who have in fact "been there, done that" the people who have experienced it. Then, and only then (if you bother to listen) will you begin to have a clue as to what's about to happen to you. But this time it's just going to be worse. Much worse. The luvvies will blame brexit and the previous Tory government. Nothing to do with JC. He's the 2nd coming. Still... House prices will be cheaper... A lot cheaper!!!
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May 29 2017, 10:26 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 29 2017, 09:26 AM) Poorer actually, heavier taxation means less money in the pocket, less money means you can afford less. Spending goes down, less sales, less vat, less jobs, economy goes into a death spiral. Listen, when you take away the elements of "its going to be lovely, fluffy kittens, roses round the door, everyone skipping and singing" what you're left with is unrealistic, uncosted votes at any price political fog. I've seen this before, I've tried to work through it, and it always ends up failing. Why do the Tories always get back in? If, if labour had a viable plan I might even vote for them, but this bunch is just totally beyond the pale. People say "Jeremy's fresh with new ways of looking at things" yes, well that was said about T Blair and look where that ended up! I'm sorry, but apart from the uncosted, the Trotskyite and the outright mad, nothing will be implemented. And when the promised land never happens, when the left are all strangely silent, when poverty is rife and food banks are the only growth 'industry' what then? Your kidding yourselves, talk to people who survived the 70's, the people who have in fact "been there, done that" the people who have experienced it. Then, and only then (if you bother to listen) will you begin to have a clue as to what's about to happen to you. But this time it's just going to be worse. Much worse. Mind you inflation creates the same spiral. Brexit anyone? Or is it a price worth paying to "take back control"? In that case it's a price worth paying for better health care, better schools, more police plus we get the benefit of an ethical foreign policy.
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May 29 2017, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 29 2017, 11:26 AM) Mind you inflation creates the same spiral. Brexit anyone? Or is it a price worth paying to "take back control"? In that case it's a price worth paying for better health care, better schools, more police plus we get the benefit of an ethical foreign policy. Better health care? And schools? Really? Under an open the immigrant floodgates policy? Really? And any extra police numbers will get soaked up with more 'accountability' more paperwork, more 'equality' driven initiatives, more curbs and checks, more diversity training. What you won't get is any significant numbers of coppers on the beat, there still won't be any officers available when you house gets burgled. Its all froth and bubbles, thought out by trained spinmaker's and all designed to fool the young an gullible to think it's an easy answer. Surprisingly, there aren't any easy answers. And ethical foreign policy? Labours policy has never been whiter than white, Iraq anyone? Okay, so, some of what we do we can't exactly be proud of, but don't for one moment believe that by not attempting to prevent the wholesale slaughter of others will lead to a safer Britain, ask yourself, why is Sweden being attacked? Why is Kenya being attacked? Why Tanzania? And why? Despite being a friend to Islam, despite opening its arms wide and saying "welcolm brothers" why is Germany being attacked?
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May 29 2017, 12:12 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 29 2017, 12:34 PM) My take on where we are right now is simply for the last four decades British management, in its widest sense, sat down. Actually old bean British management has been by and large asleep at the wheel since 1945! Look if you will at the British motor industry (Inc motorcycles) at one time we were amongst the best in the world, a fact that can be demonstrated by the fact that the Morris Oxford and the Enfield Bullet are still manufactered in India and still doing sterling work. But then we went to sleep. Badge engineering became our forte, swapping whatever still remained in parts bins for innovation, new model year? "Paint it a different colour" was the credo of the day. Old tooling, old ideas and a steadfast refusal to do anything new or innovative. And, in the face of rising foreign competition just bury the head in the sand. Remember the scorn poured on the heads of Japanese manufacturers? Sure, the unions did far more than their share of damage but it was little more than felling an already dead tree.
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May 29 2017, 12:15 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 29 2017, 12:50 PM) Better health care? And schools? Really? Under an open the immigrant floodgates policy? Really? And any extra police numbers will get soaked up with more 'accountability' more paperwork, more 'equality' driven initiatives, more curbs and checks, more diversity training. What you won't get is any significant numbers of coppers on the beat, there still won't be any officers available when you house gets burgled. Its all froth and bubbles, thought out by trained spinmaker's and all designed to fool the young an gullible to think it's an easy answer. Surprisingly, there aren't any easy answers. And ethical foreign policy? Labours policy has never been whiter than white, Iraq anyone? Okay, so, some of what we do we can't exactly be proud of, but don't for one moment believe that by not attempting to prevent the wholesale slaughter of others will lead to a safer Britain, ask yourself, why is Sweden being attacked? Why is Kenya being attacked? Why Tanzania? And why? Despite being a friend to Islam, despite opening its arms wide and saying "welcolm brothers" why is Germany being attacked? Its not Islam thats the problem its Wahhabism. This brand of Islam encourages the death of all none believers. Whichever Country they come from. And the idea that we would not have been attacked if we had not got involved in the middle east is preposterous. It makes no difference. They want you dead... unless you convert.
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May 29 2017, 01:26 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 29 2017, 12:50 PM) Better health care? And schools? Really? Under an open the immigrant floodgates policy? Really? And any extra police numbers will get soaked up with more 'accountability' more paperwork, more 'equality' driven initiatives, more curbs and checks, more diversity training. What you won't get is any significant numbers of coppers on the beat, there still won't be any officers available when you house gets burgled. Its all froth and bubbles, thought out by trained spinmaker's and all designed to fool the young an gullible to think it's an easy answer. Surprisingly, there aren't any easy answers. And ethical foreign policy? Labours policy has never been whiter than white, Iraq anyone? Okay, so, some of what we do we can't exactly be proud of, but don't for one moment believe that by not attempting to prevent the wholesale slaughter of others will lead to a safer Britain, ask yourself, why is Sweden being attacked? Why is Kenya being attacked? Why Tanzania? And why? Despite being a friend to Islam, despite opening its arms wide and saying "welcolm brothers" why is Germany being attacked? I'm sure you can Google those countries to see why they are being attacked (clue: they have forces in or involved Afghanistan/Iraq/Libya/Syria etc.) It's a myth that education and health are suffering due to immigration. They are suffering due to massive cuts under the Conservative austerity measures. Labour's foreign policy under Blair was a betrayal in my opinion. He is a war criminal and should be locked up..... but Labour did a lot that was good and Corbyn has always opposed our involvement in those wars.
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May 29 2017, 01:27 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 29 2017, 01:15 PM) And the idea that we would not have been attacked if we had not got involved in the middle east is preposterous. It makes no difference. They want you dead... unless you convert. You type without fail utter nonsense. You never make a serious contribution.
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May 29 2017, 01:41 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 29 2017, 02:27 PM) You type without fail utter nonsense. You never make a serious contribution. Better than the sh1t you spout. And thats what snowflake liberals like you do. Don't argue. Just try and shut people down unless they conform to the fantasy land cr@p that comes out of your cakehole. Go and get a bumble bee tattoo and type #prayfor in your browser... Then vote for JC and Abbott. Pr1ck.
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May 29 2017, 01:44 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 29 2017, 02:41 PM) Better than the sh1t you spout. And thats what snowflake liberals like you do. Don't argue. Just try and shut people down unless they conform to the fantasy land cr@p that comes out of your cakehole. Go and get a bumble bee tattoo and type #prayfor in your browser... Then vote for JC and Abbott. Pr1ck. Why so angry? Was your childhood particularly troubled? #prayfor TDH.
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May 29 2017, 01:47 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 29 2017, 02:44 PM) Why so angry? Was your childhood particularly troubled? #prayfor TDH. I'm not angry. I just think you are an imbecile. I pity you.😂😂
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