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Andy Capp
post Nov 13 2016, 05:50 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 05:27 PM) *
Anti numbers is not racist. And yes Blair took us into wars and also was responsible for the damage in trust. It's a contagion now. Hollande is out and Nexit and Frexit will happen. And we will probably get REAL exteme right wingers in both Austria and Hungary. On the bright side Farage is pals with Trump. 😅

I feel the anti-numbers argument is a cover for what is truly thought. I mean, what is the number? And what is too many?
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post Nov 13 2016, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 13 2016, 05:48 PM) *
If you're a liberal you don't need a point. Just make do with rhetoric.


Quite. That's exactly why Trump and Brexit happen. And will continue to do so.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JadenBell_/statu...8582785/video/1


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post Nov 13 2016, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 13 2016, 05:50 PM) *
I feel the anti-numbers argument is a cover for what is truly thought. I mean, what is the number? And what is too many?


The number is what our infrastructure can take. Not too difficult. Number of hospitals divided by people. Number of schools and places divided by number of children. Build more hospitals, doctors surgeries, schools, roads, train tracks. But DONT bl00dy moan about it when your house is compulsory purchased to complete an infrastructure project and dont play the green "we are destroying the world card". Cannot have it all ways. Liberals want it all. The world aint like that.
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Andy Capp
post Nov 13 2016, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 06:02 PM) *
The number is what our infrastructure can take. Not too difficult. Number of hospitals divided by people. Number of schools and places divided by number of children. Build more hospitals, doctors surgeries, schools, roads, train tracks. But DONT bl00dy moan about it when your house is compulsory purchased to complete an infrastructure project and dont play the green "we are destroying the world card". Cannot have it all ways. Liberals want it all. The world aint like that.

You said it was a numbers game, so what is the number that is too many?
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post Nov 13 2016, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 13 2016, 06:06 PM) *
You said it was a numbers game, so what is the number that is too many?


I'm not sure you read my post. Ever heard of analytics? LOL....
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post Nov 13 2016, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 05:54 PM) *
Quite. That's exactly why Trump and Brexit happen. And will continue to do so.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JadenBell_/statu...8582785/video/1

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/pol...-20161113117081
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post Nov 13 2016, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Nov 13 2016, 06:16 PM) *


Im not sure what your point is.
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post Nov 13 2016, 06:30 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 06:19 PM) *
Im not sure what your point is.

You're saying that those that didn't vote for Trump are the reason he was elected. That normal, decent, caring people are responsible for the fact that Trump won. If liberals didn't exist, there would be no far right (which frankly is what Trump and Farage are). The fact is that the people that voted for hum surely shared his extreme views.
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post Nov 13 2016, 06:39 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Nov 13 2016, 06:30 PM) *
You're saying that those that didn't vote for Trump are the reason he was elected. That normal, decent, caring people are responsible for the fact that Trump won. If liberals didn't exist, there would be no far right (which frankly is what Trump and Farage are). The fact is that the people that voted for hum surely shared his extreme views.


Why? Perhaps they were just fed up with people like you. Do you really think half of Britain and half of the USA are right wing racists?
Yep that must be it cos the vote did not go the right way. Does not compute. Does not compute. Error. Error. 😂
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Andy Capp
post Nov 13 2016, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 06:16 PM) *
I'm not sure you read my post. Ever heard of analytics? LOL....

I have, but so far you said it's about numbers but it seems you don't have any numbers, so I have to wonder if your view about it only being about numbers as genuine.
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post Nov 13 2016, 06:50 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 13 2016, 06:43 PM) *
I have, but so far you said it's about numbers but it seems you don't have any numbers, so I have to wonder if your view about it only being about numbers as genuine.

It is. I don't care if you believe me as it suits your agenda not to. Says it all really. You cannot see. You are blind.
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post Nov 13 2016, 06:55 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 06:39 PM) *
Why? Perhaps they were just fed up with people like you. Do you really think half of Britain and half of the USA are right wing racists?

To varying degrees, yes, although over half Eledgible to vote didn't vote for the winning team.
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post Nov 13 2016, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 13 2016, 06:55 PM) *
To varying degrees, yes, although over half Eledgible to vote didn't vote of the winning team.


Basket of delporables the lot of them. 😂
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post Nov 13 2016, 07:05 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 06:50 PM) *
It is. I don't care if you believe me as it suits your agenda not to. Says it all really. You cannot see. You are blind.

I can see that you cannot support your opinion which just goes to support my view that the 'numbers' argument is bogus, or you haven't done your homework to see if your view is valid.
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post Nov 13 2016, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 13 2016, 07:05 PM) *
I can see that you cannot support your opinion which just goes to support my view that the 'numbers' argument is bogus, or you haven't done you homework to see if your view is valid.


Im not sure what your point is. I'm right. You are wrong. I dont accept any comment of yours as having any merit. You need educating. Poor soul.
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post Nov 13 2016, 07:53 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 07:09 PM) *
Im not sure what your point is. I'm right. You are wrong. I dont accept any comment of yours as having any merit. You need educating. Poor soul.

You said it isn't about race; it is about numbers. I asked what were the numbers, but you haven't answered. I suspect you don't know the numbers, thus rendering your view Invalid. If it were genuinely just about numbers, I'd have expected you to have reeled of a few numerical examples.

Mind you, just because I doubt your sinereity about your objection to immigration as being purely numerical, that doesn't mean I think everything you say is without merit. That is your exaggeration.

As it happens I think unfettered immigration is flawed, but I don't have enough facts to be sure I am right.
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post Nov 13 2016, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 13 2016, 07:53 PM) *
You said it isn't about race; it is about numbers. I asked what were the numbers, but haven't answered. I suspect you don't know the numbers, thus rendering your view Invalid. If it were genuinely just about numbers, I'd have expected you to have reeled of a few numerical examples.


Yep u got me. Im actually a member of the KKK and have at this very moment got a burning cross outside in the garden. Its a booger typing through these white sheets and pointy hat though....
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post Nov 13 2016, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 05:42 PM) *
Im not sure what your point is.
My point is this.

It's not racist to complain about immigration but it is almost certainly xenophobic just to say there are too many foreigners coming into our country.

If it's backed up with a valid reason then it's not xenophobic, but I rarely see anyone come up with a good reason why we shouldn't allow more immigrants into the UK.

The classic one is, "they're a drain on our infrastructure" but as on average immigrants pay more tax than the indigenous population they're actually a net contributor to the nation's finances.

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post Nov 13 2016, 08:04 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 08:02 PM) *
Yep u got me. Im actually a member of the KKK and have at this very moment got a burning cross outside in the garden. Its a booger typing through these white sheets and pointy hat though....

I knew it. I knew you would break in the end... tongue.gif
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post Nov 13 2016, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 13 2016, 08:03 PM) *
My point is this.

It's not racist to complain about immigration but it is almost certainly xenophobic just to say there are too many foreigners coming into our country.

If it's backed up with a valid reason then it's not xenophobic, but I rarely see anyone come up with a good reason why we shouldn't allow more immigrants into the UK.

The classic one is, "they're a drain on our infrastructure" but as on average immigrants pay more tax than the indigenous population they're actually a net contributor to the nation's finances.


Who is moaning about foreigners? If 100000 white English layabouts left the Country and were replaced by 100000 hard working people from any ethnicity I'd be well chuffed. Numbers....
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