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Nov 12 2016, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 11 2016, 06:57 PM) Good. He may have saved us all. Clinton wanted a no fly zone over Syria. Could have sparked WW3. If the Russkies are stupid enough to get involved in wars in that area of the world let them. History teaches us it does not end well. It's not often I agree with you, but I do here 100%. I'd go so far as to say that if it weren't for these wars we'd still be in the EU.
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Nov 12 2016, 10:38 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Nov 12 2016, 10:03 PM) It's not often I agree with you, but I do here 100%. I'd go so far as to say that if it weren't for these wars we'd still be in the EU. We all have an opinion. Its the fear of speaking your opinion that has got us to President Trump. We need a reset button. The fear of your environment changing is not racist. Its normal to many. Millenials moan thay we will all die and what have we left them with? In part I agree but as they get older (and work for 20 years or so have a mortgage kids responsibilities to those they love) then some of them will change opinion. At present people dare not speak how they feel apart from in a polling booth. That is wrong. And believe it or not newres I respect you. Trump Brexit and Leicester. A fiver treble this time last year would have paid 12.5 million. Strange times indeed...
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Nov 12 2016, 10:42 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Nov 12 2016, 10:03 PM) It's not often I agree with you, but I do here 100%. I'd go so far as to say that if it weren't for these wars we'd still be in the EU. The EU I am afraid is done. Next year is its last.. What comes after is more importantr now. We need to make plans for the future and build a better model. We can make things better and make Europe a great place to live for all. The work should start now.
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Nov 13 2016, 09:32 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 12 2016, 10:38 PM) We all have an opinion. Its the fear of speaking your opinion that has got us to President Trump. We need a reset button. The fear of your environment changing is not racist. Its normal to many. Millenials moan thay we will all die and what have we left them with? In part I agree but as they get older (and work for 20 years or so have a mortgage kids responsibilities to those they love) then some of them will change opinion. At present people dare not speak how they feel apart from in a polling booth. That is wrong. And believe it or not newres I respect you. I don't think that is true. Not speaking one's mind is the reason for poor poll predictions rather than who votes for what. Also, people vote (or don't) for a number of reasons and some of those are not because of support for the candidate.
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Nov 13 2016, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 13 2016, 09:32 AM) I don't think that is true. Not speaking one's mind is the reason for poor poll predictions rather than who votes for what. Also, people vote (or don't) for a number of reasons and some of those are not because of support for the candidate. Tosh. Say you think that immigration is too high and you are branded by the liberal press and luvvy celebrities.. I think it is about numbers not race or ethnicity. People stay quiet and vote when they get the chance.
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Nov 13 2016, 01:03 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 01:28 PM) Tosh. Say you think that immigration is too high and you are branded by the liberal press and luvvy celebrities.. I think it is and it is about numbers not race or ethnicity. So people stay quiet and vote when they get the chance. Very well said indeed.
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Nov 13 2016, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Nov 13 2016, 01:03 PM) Very well said indeed. Cant be @ssed with spellchecker on a pubic (get it) forum. And the grammar police are just sad trolls.
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Nov 13 2016, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 12:28 PM) Tosh. Say you think that immigration is too high and you are branded by the liberal press and luvvy celebrities.. I think it is about numbers not race or ethnicity. People stay quiet and vote when they get the chance. It's not racist to complain about immigration but it is almost certainly xenophobic just to say there are too many foreigners coming into our country. If it's backed up with a valid reason then it's not xenophobic, but I rarely see anyone come up with a good reason why we shouldn't allow more immigrants into the UK. The classic one is, "they're a drain on our infrastructure" but as on average immigrants pay more tax than the indigenous population they're actually a net contributor to the nation's finances.
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Nov 13 2016, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 13 2016, 02:01 PM) It's not racist to complain about immigration but it is almost certainly xenophobic just to say there are too many foreigners coming into our country.
If it's backed up with a valid reason then it's not xenophobic, but I rarely see anyone come up with a good reason why we shouldn't allow more immigrants into the UK.
The classic one is, "they're a drain on our infrastructure" but as on average immigrants pay more tax than the indigenous population they're actually a net contributor to the nation's finances. The average age of an immigrant is 28. If all had worked here all of there life they would have paid a combined total of £480 billion in National Insurance contributions by the time they reached that age.. .
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Nov 13 2016, 04:56 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 12:28 PM) Tosh. Say you think that immigration is too high and you are branded by the liberal press and luvvy celebrities.. I think it is about numbers not race or ethnicity. People stay quiet and vote when they get the chance. I doubt that you read my post as your reply bears no relevance to my point.
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Nov 13 2016, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 03:54 PM) The average age of an immigrant is 28. If all had worked here all of there life they would have paid a combined total of £480 billion in National Insurance contributions by the time they reached that age.. . Not really sure what your point is. Immigrants don't pay any tax before they come here? They also don't use support services or infrastructure either so there's zero net loss or gain. When they do come here there's a net gain to society greater than those who have lived here all their lives. So the point is, more immigrants = more tax than the indigenous population = more schools and roads.
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Nov 13 2016, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 13 2016, 05:14 PM) I bet people with anti immigration feelings are higher up the racist scale than those who are not. You don't have to be a grand wizard to have racist opinion. We all have some degree of racism or bigotry, it's a human trait.
I think the stupidest move was by Labour who embraced EU free movement too quickly and didn't plan for it. That alone has caused huge damage in social integration and further damaged trust in government. Anti numbers is not racist. And yes Blair took us into wars and also was responsible for the damage in trust. It's a contagion now. Hollande is out and Nexit and Frexit will happen. And we will probably get REAL exteme right wingers in both Austria and Hungary. On the bright side Farage is pals with Trump. 😅
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Nov 13 2016, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 13 2016, 05:03 PM) Not really sure what your point is.
Immigrants don't pay any tax before they come here? They also don't use support services or infrastructure either so there's zero net loss or gain.
When they do come here there's a net gain to society greater than those who have lived here all their lives.
So the point is, more immigrants = more tax than the indigenous population = more schools and roads. Errr. 16 to 28 year old tend to be fit and don't need the NHS much... if at all.
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Nov 13 2016, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 05:30 PM) Errr. 16 to 28 year old tend to be fit and don't need the NHS much... if at all. Many 16 - 21 year olds are still in the education system. I'm not really sure what your point is here.
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Nov 13 2016, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 13 2016, 05:35 PM) Many 16 - 21 year olds are still in the education system.
I'm not really sure what your point is here. Im not sure what your point is.
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Nov 13 2016, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 13 2016, 05:48 PM) If you're a liberal you don't need a point. Just make do with rhetoric. Donald Trump anyone???
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