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Biker1
post Jun 13 2016, 05:06 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 12 2016, 06:30 PM) *
Yes, should be lose, very sorry, sadly the results of a 1960s state education when I was a children.

Nice one OTE!
We all do it.
You know I'm only joshiing with you. wink.gif
Nothing as bad as the result of a 2000's state education eh? ohmy.gif

Back on subject I see the boss of BT has now written to it's employees recommending a remain vote.
What do folks think about employers telling their people how to vote in a referendum?
What if they did it in, say, a general election?? angry.gif
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post Jun 13 2016, 07:40 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 13 2016, 06:06 AM) *
Nice one OTE!
We all do it.
You know I'm only joshiing with you. wink.gif
Nothing as bad as the result of a 2000's state education eh? ohmy.gif

Back on subject I see the boss of BT has now written to it's employees recommending a remain vote.
What do folks think about employers telling their people how to vote in a referendum?
What if they did it in, say, a general election?? angry.gif



Bad decision on the companies part, very bad. A company has no part to play in anyone's private life.]

Addition

Good point just made on The Wright Stuff. Why not the employees write a letter to the management telling them why they should stay out..


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post Jun 13 2016, 09:39 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 13 2016, 06:06 AM) *
Nice one OTE!
We all do it.
You know I'm only joshiing with you. wink.gif
Nothing as bad as the result of a 2000's state education eh? ohmy.gif

Back on subject I see the boss of BT has now written to it's employees recommending a remain vote.
What do folks think about employers telling their people how to vote in a referendum?
What if they did it in, say, a general election?? angry.gif


That's an intriguing question; particularly right now with the BHS questions before us. Arguably a Company is a person at law and can do just what it likes, subject to a few rules. If its employees don't like it, there is a simple remedy, they just leave. That's UK capitalism in a nutshell.

The comments and statements made by a firm's Board and Executives are pretty powerful. Its arguably stunningly poor practice to make controversial statements which are not likely to be well received by a majority to the business stakeholders. From then on, its likely that appeals to workers for loyalty and to give good service will be met by deaf ears. It says the bosses think all the workers are here for nothing more than the money and are just resources.

Its rather ironic then, that some firms are preaching stay; that's because without the exemptions our Dave isn't likely to get harmonisation of company and employment practices in the continued quest for further and deeper union would inevitably mean the German and French business models. That includes worker directors, consultations, more job security etc. etc. etc.

Knowing what a company thinks like this, however unpalatable, is pretty useful, the big question we ought to have is why they'd want to stay in if they are eventually going to have to give far more to the workers.

In BT's case, the answer is simple, its under massive threat because of the distinct possibility that its network and its sales operations will be separated. Europe, which is protecting the old State enterprises would be a bastion against this. Why would other organisations want to stay in? well, minimum wage UK workers are thin on the ground, but with free movement, there will always be a ready supply of incoming people who'd be willing to take the absolute minimum.

(There is, of course, a way in which the workers can show the boss just how much they think of him. That's the French way, which used to be pretty popular round here at one time! It seems British management hasn't learned too much since Mrs T. slew the Union dragon!!!)


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post Jun 13 2016, 12:11 PM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 13 2016, 12:54 AM) *
Neither would I AC.
But two mistakes? firstly loose/lose and then child/children. Carelessness twice? or a failing of 1960's education?

I see it on many public forums. The misuse of loose and lose are consistent. Why else would I make it the content of my signature?
I would also add another observation. Many of those in academia, when interviewed, start their answer with the the word 'so'. It may well be an example of the influence of the group of which you are a part, or not.

It doesn't stop it from being carelessness.

Verbiage like 'so' is often employed to enable the speaker to compose their thoughts.
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post Jun 13 2016, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 13 2016, 06:06 AM) *
Nice one OTE!
We all do it.
You know I'm only joshiing with you. wink.gif
Nothing as bad as the result of a 2000's state education eh? ohmy.gif

Back on subject I see the boss of BT has now written to it's employees recommending a remain vote.
What do folks think about employers telling their people how to vote in a referendum?
What if they did it in, say, a general election?? angry.gif

I don't believe they told them how to vote, so it is a false premise; your anger appears misplaced.

"The letter encouraged staff to vote in the referendum whatever their point of view."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36514054
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post Jun 13 2016, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 13 2016, 06:06 AM) *
Back on subject I see the boss of BT has now written to it's employees recommending a remain vote.
What do folks think about employers telling their people how to vote in a referendum?
What if they did it in, say, a general election?? angry.gif


But it's not as simple as that - it is not the boss of BT writing - it is the board of BT and the two main unions representing BT workers.

And they are not telling people how to vote - just reccomending a vote for remain - I am sure many of the workers will choose to disregard the reccomendation.

As it is extremely unlikely that the Board and unions would agree on a reccomendation during a general election it is unlikely to ever happen.
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post Jun 13 2016, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 13 2016, 01:17 PM) *
I don't believe they told them how to vote, so it is a false premise; your anger appears misplaced.

"The letter encouraged staff to vote in the referendum whatever their point of view."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36514054

QUOTE (blackdog @ Jun 13 2016, 01:44 PM) *
And they are not telling people how to vote - just reccomending a vote for remain - I am sure many of the workers will choose to disregard the reccomendation.

OK. More Cameron style scaremongering then.
"The firm's chairman and chief executive and the leaders of the CWU and Prospect unions, said the vote would have a big impact on the economy and company."
Vote how you like BUT.........................
(Did they say whether it would be a positive or negative impact? Who knows?) unsure.gif
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post Jun 13 2016, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 13 2016, 03:35 PM) *
OK. More Cameron style scaremongering then.
"The firm's chairman and chief executive and the leaders of the CWU and Prospect unions, said the vote would have a big impact on the economy and company."
Vote how you like BUT.........................
(Did they say whether it would be a positive or negative impact? Who knows?) unsure.gif


Frankly yes, it is exactly as you say.

Sadly, much of British management think Dave can rescue them from the horrors of European labour legislation by opting out. Similarly, the trades unions think by keeping in the place of trades unions will be restored eventually. So both sides see combining is the lesser of two evils. My view, if it's a choice between evils, reject both - so vote out.

Why are certain British firms so scared of standing on their own in a World market? Have we really lost our national pride and capability?


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post Jun 14 2016, 05:04 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 13 2016, 06:06 AM) *
Nice one OTE!
We all do it.
You know I'm only joshiing with you. wink.gif
Nothing as bad as the result of a 2000's state education eh? ohmy.gif

Back on subject I see the boss of BT has now written to it's employees recommending a remain vote.
What do folks think about employers telling their people how to vote in a referendum?
What if they did it in, say, a general election?? angry.gif


2000s education... like it's like so like great. Have you heard like kids these days like speaking like? I'm like so going to like vote brexit like.
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post Jun 14 2016, 05:29 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 14 2016, 06:04 AM) *
2000s education... like it's like so like great. Have you heard like kids these days like speaking like? I'm like so going to like vote brexit like.

Actually they are more likely to vote remain as the Brexit demographic is generally the old and uneducated.
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post Jun 14 2016, 07:45 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 14 2016, 06:29 AM) *
Actually they are more likely to vote remain as the Brexit demographic is generally the old and uneducated.


Ah, you mean 'the people'!




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post Jun 14 2016, 10:11 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 14 2016, 08:45 AM) *
Ah, you mean 'the people'!

No! Daily Mail readers! Do catch up at the back.


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post Jun 14 2016, 01:36 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 14 2016, 06:04 AM) *
2000s education... like it's like so like great. Have you heard like kids these days like speaking like? I'm like so going to like vote brexit like.

Aye, English doest has't a habit of changing and not at each moment in a way one wouldst approveth.
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post Jun 15 2016, 10:34 AM
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The in/out debate has been notably poor and I've not been convinced by the arguments on either side, but I came across the following in the Independent which I think has clinched it for me: "Nigel Farage is a suppurating anal fistula of a man".


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post Jun 15 2016, 10:44 AM
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Osbo is putting the frightners on so its obvious it's getting serious. Frankly, the tepid, lukewarm response from Brother Corbyn is beginning to seem exactly right. The sub text of that seems to be the average pleb has got more to gain by staying in than he has by coming out and trusting the Tories to do the right thing. Let's be really honest, our day as a powerful or even influential nation state have now gone and aren't ever coming back; so if you can't beat them!


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post Jun 15 2016, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jun 15 2016, 11:34 AM) *
The in/out debate has been notably poor and I've not been convinced by the arguments on either side, but I came across the following in the Independent which I think has clinched it for me: "Nigel Farage is a suppurating anal fistula of a man".

Ahh, personal insults, the last refuge of the politically inept. laugh.gif
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post Jun 15 2016, 12:18 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 15 2016, 12:28 PM) *
Ahh, personal insults, the last refuge of the politically inept. laugh.gif


And voting to stay in because you don't like one of the outers..... rolleyes.gif

I see the multi millionaire Geldof has been campaigning for in... why do all the millionaires want to stay in?Is it because they don't live the real world?

Independence day. 24th June. And the film is released on the same day!😉
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 14 2016, 06:29 AM) *
Actually they are more likely to vote remain as the Brexit demographic is generally the old and uneducated.


So if you vote out you are either old or uneducated. What a stupid thing to say. That must make all the remainers dictators (the EU has unelected "leaders"). The whole remain campaign has been ill judged. Slagging people off for voting a certain way smacks of desperation. I always look at bookies odds and brexit is looking more and more likely.... I will love it.
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post Jun 15 2016, 01:01 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 15 2016, 01:28 PM) *
So if you vote out you are either old or uneducated. What a stupid thing to say. That must make all the remainers dictators (the EU has unelected "leaders"). The whole remain campaign has been ill judged. Slagging people off for voting a certain way smacks of desperation. I always look at bookies odds and brexit is looking more and more likely.... I will love it.


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post Jun 15 2016, 02:59 PM
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Being old and uneducated I will also admit to being temped. Harmonisation of business and employment legislation based on the German model in particular would suit me very well. But hold on, this is just the legislation our clever peers go off and get exemptions from. Of course, with age you get experience and I actually voted in the last lot and well remember what our beloved leader Mr Heath, the man who'd taken us in (more ways than one) had told us. I think the words I'm looking for to describe what was said are something like lies and half truths. in this case hindsight definitely is twenty twenty and so it remains an OUT for me. Once bitten twice shy.


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