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Jun 11 2016, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE (gel @ Jun 11 2016, 06:32 PM) QUOTE (James Dyson) If, as David Cameron suggested, they [the EU] imposed a tariff of 10 per cent on us, we will do the same in return. We buy more from Europe than they buy from us, so we would be the net beneficiary and based on these numbers it would bring £10bn into the UK annually. Would it? Would imposing a 10% tariff on imports bring in £10billion into the UK from Europe? I'd have thought that if Blighty imposed a 10% import duty that it would just get passed on to the UK domestic consumer, and while that might generate an additional £10billion for the Exchequer (which the Tories will divvie up amongst their mates in tax-breaks for the wealthy) that leave the rest of us £10billion worse off. I think his argument sucks.
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Jun 11 2016, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jun 11 2016, 10:31 PM) Would it?
I think my argument sucks.
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Jun 12 2016, 09:41 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 12 2016, 07:04 AM) Latest from dodgy Dave... your pensions are under threat...
The more claims like this he makes the more likely brexit People don't believe you Dave. You have lost the plot. I think our pensions are under threat either way, but it's repugnant that they should be used as as a 'bargaining tool' by someone who will undoubtedly not be dependant on one in his old age.
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Jun 12 2016, 09:51 AM
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QUOTE (Lolly @ Jun 12 2016, 10:41 AM) I think our pensions are under threat either way, but it's repugnant that they should be used as as a 'bargaining tool' by someone who will undoubtedly not be dependant on one in his old age. I seem to recall a right honorable gentleman (NOT) Brown started on pensions.
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Jun 12 2016, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Jun 12 2016, 10:41 AM) Stay or leave our pensions are under threat from Dodgy Dave and his Tory chums - they really don't like wasting money on the plebs. They would already have introduced something like means testing to benefits like pensions, bus passes and the NHS if they thought they could get away with it. Brexit will enable them to blame it on someone else.
Personally I am in favour of staying in the EU - despite (not because of) Cameron's support of it. Yes, the biggest threat is as you say our very own peers, that's Tories of every hue, tinged with yellow or red. I think many of the continental commercial and working laws and regulations are so much better than ours and protect us, as opposed to them. However, it's those self same self interested leaders who gain exemptions from these protections. Ironically, for that reason I'm voting no. Keep the present politicians in place and stay in Europe with them meddling by exemption and we are loose / loose everytime.
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Jun 12 2016, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 12 2016, 12:36 PM) Yes, the biggest threat is as you say our very own peers, that's Tories of every hue, tinged with yellow or red. I think many of the continental commercial and working laws and regulations are so much better than ours and protect us, as opposed to them.
However, it's those self same self interested leaders who gain exemptions from these protections. Ironically, for that reason I'm voting no. Keep the present politicians in place and stay in Europe with them meddling by exemption and we are loose / loose everytime. Voting 'no' what?
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Jun 12 2016, 02:39 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 12 2016, 01:28 PM) Voting 'no' what? Sorry, no = out, my slip! The EU is a great concept, but doesn't work in practice and experience shows never will. If it is this is the way to get a real ''common market' why wouldn't we want to encourage the US to join? Or indeed, why isn't the US even trying to achieve the same thing on its own land mass? It would save them building a wall at least! Sure, there are some good things, but we never seem to get them. As for our own, today, they are unprincipled and untrustworthy. However, I do know who they are and I do have a real chance of getting rid of them now and again.
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Jun 12 2016, 08:49 PM
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Latest polling suggests a strong lead for Brexit. For me there are some good principled reasons not to support the EU, and chief amongst them is that I don't like self-serving bureaucracy, but I'm worried by the intolerance and fear that it seems to me is behind the strength of the Brexit vote, and whatever the consequences for the UK of what is now looking like our inevitable departure from the EU, I do worry that this intolerance will work itself out badly over the next twenty five years.
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Jun 12 2016, 10:09 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 12 2016, 06:30 PM) Yes, should be lose, very sorry, sadly the results of a 1960s state education when I was a children. Wrong!!!! Check my signature. I had a state education too when I was a child, not a children.
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Jun 12 2016, 11:32 PM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 12 2016, 11:09 PM) Wrong!!!!
Check my signature. I had a state education too when I was a child, not a children. I wouldn't confuse carelessness with a lack of education.
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Jun 12 2016, 11:43 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jun 12 2016, 09:49 PM) For me there are some good principled reasons not to support the EU, and chief amongst them is that I don't like self-serving bureaucracy, but I'm worried by the intolerance and fear that it seems to me is behind the strength of the Brexit vote, and whatever the consequences for the UK of what is now looking like our inevitable departure from the EU, I do worry that this intolerance will work itself out badly over the next twenty five years. Im not sure it is over yet and even if Brext are triumphant, I'm not sure we will go independent.
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Jun 12 2016, 11:54 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 13 2016, 12:32 AM) I wouldn't confuse carelessness with a lack of education. Neither would I AC. But two mistakes? firstly loose/lose and then child/children. Carelessness twice? or a failing of 1960's education? I see it on many public forums. The misuse of loose and lose are consistent. Why else would I make it the content of my signature? I would also add another observation. Many of those in academia, when interviewed, start their answer with the the word 'so'. It may well be an example of the influence of the group of which you are a part, or not.
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