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Halal, why should we put up with this?, If fox hunting with dogs is outlawed, why not Halal? |
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Feb 3 2015, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 3 2015, 06:01 PM) If we saw someone mistreat animals like this by the side of the road we would and quite rightly call the police, and look for a prosecution. Just because they can hide behind "cultural differences" makes the whole thing even more disgusting. There is no excuse and no place in this society for this barbarism. Surely this current case is one which will result in a prosecution - it is animal cruelty, not halal slaughter. To use it to argue for the abolition of halal/kosher slaughter is like using a single case of spousal abuse to argue against marriage.
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Feb 3 2015, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 3 2015, 06:22 PM) I feel sooo strongly about halal slaughter and the inherent likelihood of my accidentally ingesting meat from this source that I am now a vegetarian. That is the point. I feel the relaxation of rules to permit indecency is wrong, BUT, I am not innocent so I feel that protesting would be hypocritical. Personally I think all these meats should be banned; however, on the grounds of decency, I suspect we would and should see other meats banned too and then meat becomes a luxury. Some might feel that wouldn't be a bad thing.
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Feb 3 2015, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 3 2015, 06:17 PM) Surely this current case is one which will result in a prosecution - it is animal cruelty, not halal slaughter. To use it to argue for the abolition of halal/kosher slaughter is like using a single case of spousal abuse to argue against marriage. I agree. There will be few people who would condone animal abuse and it's wholly wrong to suggest that religious Muslims or Jews would find this reported abuse any less repugnant than anyone else. There is no stress-free way in which to kill an animal, and for intensively farmed animals their whole existence is a fearful misery. Non-stun slaughter isn't my major concern in animal welfare when it's stacked up against slaughter generally and farming standards as a whole. I do agree that it is unacceptable that a religious rite should trump animal welfare standards, but I'm still not wholly convinced that this is so obviously the case here. If you're concerned about animal welfare as I am then vegetarianism is an option (I've been a vegetarian for more than 20 years), but simply eating Organic meat is a good choice as Organic standards are pretty good for animal husbandry. It's an expensive option, but then that's the real problem here, the consumer's demand for cheap meat with no consideration for the animal that grew it. Slaughter is a issue, but transport is a source of much suffering too - if you're concerned for animal welfare you'll already be protesting about the live transportation of animals I trust. It's distressing, but there's more about it here on the Compassion in World Farming site. Killing of cetaceans and other marine species is an unspeakable tragedy, so if you're not already I hope you will support Sea Shepherd who are doing some good work fighting this slaughter. Then there's the suffering of animals in UK labs. That's a challenge because medical research has relieved some human suffering, but at a cost of much animal suffering. PETA are a great organisation and do much good work to challenge abuse, sign up with them here.
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Feb 3 2015, 08:21 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 3 2015, 08:02 PM) I agree. There will be few people who would condone animal abuse and it's wholly wrong to suggest that religious Muslims or Jews would find this reported abuse any less repugnant than anyone else. There is no stress-free way in which to kill an animal, and for intensively farmed animals their whole existence is a fearful misery. Non-stun slaughter isn't my major concern in animal welfare when it's stacked up against slaughter generally and farming standards as a whole. I do agree that it is unacceptable that a religious rite should trump animal welfare standards, but I'm still not wholly convinced that this is so obviously the case here. If you're concerned about animal welfare as I am then vegetarianism is an option (I've been a vegetarian for more than 20 years), but simply eating Organic meat is a good choice as Organic standards are pretty good for animal husbandry. It's an expensive option, but then that's the real problem here, the consumer's demand for cheap meat with no consideration for the animal that grew it. Slaughter is a issue, but transport is a source of much suffering too - if you're concerned for animal welfare you'll already be protesting about the live transportation of animals I trust. It's distressing, but there's more about it here on the Compassion in World Farming site. Killing of cetaceans and other marine species is an unspeakable tragedy, so if you're not already I hope you will support Sea Shepherd who are doing some good work fighting this slaughter. Then there's the suffering of animals in UK labs. That's a challenge because medical research has relieved some human suffering, but at a cost of much animal suffering. PETA are a great organisation and do much good work to challenge abuse, sign up with them here. That is a more verbose version of my point. My use of mass produced meat is not something with which to be proud either.
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Oct 27 2017, 06:57 PM
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At last , someone woke up and listened. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-41765927Please, let this be the start of things to come. Why are we giving islam so much priority?
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Oct 27 2017, 07:21 PM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Oct 27 2017, 07:57 PM) At last , someone woke up and listened. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-41765927Please, let this be the start of things to come. Why are we giving islam so much priority? Because in 100 to 200 years we will be an Islamic state. More people in the uk will be Muslim than Christian. Just a fact..
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Oct 27 2017, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 27 2017, 08:24 PM) Do you actually believe that? What’s your masters in? Baiting? You are part of the huge problem. Deluded as usual. FYI, I have always given you the benefit of the doubt. Never again.
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Oct 27 2017, 07:48 PM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Oct 27 2017, 08:38 PM) You are part of the huge problem. Deluded as usual. FYI, I have always given you the benefit of the doubt. Never again. Im afraid the UK has a huge problem. Not with the majority of musmims I meet. But with people like Newres. They are the real problem. They want to see the destruction of everything that is British.
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Oct 27 2017, 07:51 PM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Oct 27 2017, 08:38 PM) You are part of the huge problem. Deluded as usual. FYI, I have always given you the benefit of the doubt. Never again. I'm deluded? So you think the UK will be an Islamic state in a hundred years too? You really are idiots if you think that.
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Oct 27 2017, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 27 2017, 08:51 PM) I'm deluded? So you think the UK will be an Islamic state in a hundred years too? You really are idiots if you think that. Where do you live??? 1974??
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Oct 27 2017, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 27 2017, 08:21 PM) Because in 100 to 200 years we will be an Islamic state. More people in the uk will be Muslim than Christian. Just a fact.. How can a prediction be ‘fact’?
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Oct 27 2017, 09:02 PM
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Surely by that time science will have advanced far enough scotch any notion of the deluded nonsense that is Islam? (And probably Christianity as well?) We probably have bigger fish to fry than this anyway. The population of the UK has grown by 10M over the last 50 years and is increasing exponentially. In 200 years time, bar any disasters!!!, the population will be around 100M!! Frightening eh? Well perhaps not for us.
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Oct 27 2017, 09:02 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 27 2017, 09:55 PM) How can a prediction be ‘fact’? Surely you can understand that? A big fan of pseudo science like you.
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Oct 27 2017, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 27 2017, 10:02 PM) Surely you can understand that? A big fan of pseudo science like you. Only libtard facts are facts. Like Brexit being bad for the UK....😂😂
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