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Posted by: dannyboy Feb 27 2015, 11:25 AM

I see nothing has changed.

Posted by: JeffG Feb 27 2015, 11:30 AM

OK, I'll bite. In respect of what?

Posted by: On the edge Feb 27 2015, 01:02 PM

No, nothing has changed and we've spent even more to get there. What did you expect?

Posted by: spartacus Feb 27 2015, 01:36 PM

I think he's on about this forum.....

The same six keyboard warriors fighting the good fight against the council in an endless circle of argument.


Oh look... it's sunny outside. Summer's here, time to step away from the keyboard and do something more useful

tara

Posted by: On the edge Feb 27 2015, 04:08 PM

Nah, election time, the pond life becomes active and the gad flys flit away....

Posted by: dannyboy Feb 27 2015, 05:32 PM

you got it.

Sisyphean.

18 months without a look in - I was expecting at least some change.

Posted by: On the edge Feb 27 2015, 05:53 PM

Not from round here then?

Posted by: Cognosco Feb 27 2015, 07:10 PM

Hey up nice to have you back!

So WBC are in trouble again and have to call out the Rottweiler spokesperson from retirement to help out User, Sparticus et al. Do you have to guarantee some time in the Council spokesperson reserves after carrying out a tour of duty for the Supreme Leader.......just in case of emergencies like?

No I have to agree nothing changes....... still more or less daily gaffs by our two beloved local Authorities and still the gaffs are costing ratepayers a fortune and no one being held responsible.
Still the same people taking up their valuable time trying to shine a light on misdeeds and still the local Authorities trying their damnedest to prevent them. On and on it goes......but you have to live in hope, after all Rome wasn't built in a day was it?

Posted by: GMR Feb 27 2015, 07:36 PM

WBC must be worried to call you back out of retirement, along with Spartacus and User23. But it is good to have a very old face back from the dead.

Posted by: Biker1 Feb 27 2015, 07:48 PM

Ooeerr!!, does that include me?
I rarely get involved in the council bashing debates!!

Posted by: Lolly Feb 27 2015, 09:26 PM

If you've not checked in for 18 months somebody else must have hacked your profile...

http://forum.newburytoday.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2674&hl=

Page 19 post 369

Posted by: Cognosco Feb 28 2015, 11:44 AM

Ah he never was known for getting his facts correct...........associated with WBC you see?

Posted by: dannyboy Mar 3 2015, 01:42 PM

The posts above say it perfectly.

Cossie regurgetates the same drivel - which they use in every single thread where someone does not **** all over the local councils. That being 'you work for the council'.

and, then the endless pointless divertion from the main thread of the topic by picking up on a trivial error & making that the gist of the thread as opposed to whatever it was the op originally commented upon. ( such as purposely putting 18 months instead of 12 ).

Posted by: Cognosco Mar 3 2015, 04:26 PM

Yeah right! Typical WBC spin you mean?

There is of course one way, I suppose I should not have to point this out though of course, to bring an end to the Council bashing posts..........get something right for a change! Treat the tax and precept payer with a bit of respect and have some transparency and democratic processes brought to the fore and of course lets start looking after the money with a bit of common sense instead of wasting it like they have been doing for some years now. This applies to both Local Authorities as they both appear to be totally inept to some degree or the other?

We could always make the same statement but looking from our perspective! Every time someone makes a critical statement of the Councils then the same few make posts belittling the poster who has brought another council gaff to attention?

So why not try another tactic and persuade the councils, who you seem to back so ardently,
to see the error of their ways and en-devour to engage with their critics instead of trying to put a spin on it, which only makes matters far worse in the end, and face the fact that they have to make apologies when they get things wrong and explain just how they are going to insure that are not going to let this happen again. Simple really isn't it?

It would make my life and others so much easier if we did not have to keep coming on the forum and posting so called Council Bashing posts to keep them on their toes......even though they don't read the Forum of course!

Posted by: dannyboy Mar 3 2015, 04:34 PM

Hillarious.

Engage with their critics. Hmmm, you mean they should book a table for 6 down the 'spoons?

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 3 2015, 04:48 PM

Probably cheaper and as effective as hosting the same event in the council chamber.

Posted by: Spider Mar 3 2015, 05:11 PM

I haven't been on for awhile, but I don't think you can just blame the few. We are all individuals with important concerns of our own. If Dannyboy has concerns then he should fight his corner, rather than moan about those he is not happy with. I do understand where he is coming from, but this is a free forum with a free voice. The other choice is control who comes on. The trouble with that would create a very boring forum. Whatever way you look at it there are down sides. At least Newbury has got somewhere to go to have a moan. Just as Dannyboy is doing.

Posted by: Cognosco Mar 3 2015, 06:03 PM

Spoons or anywhere else providing someone listens and takes any notice!
If there was any chance that any notice would be taken of the critics I think you may be amazed how many there are in Newbury.

Posted by: dannyboy Mar 3 2015, 06:35 PM

when this forum first started back in 2009 there was a good cross section of people posting.


that isn't the case any longer.

Posted by: dannyboy Mar 3 2015, 06:35 PM

nah - it is a town of happy campers.

Posted by: Cognosco Mar 3 2015, 06:53 PM

Said the WBC spokesman as he buries his head into the sand!

Posted by: Spider Mar 3 2015, 07:09 PM

But isn't it a case of when something new comes along everybody jumps on the bandwagon and after awhile it settles down to the few and regulars? At least it is a place when one can voice there concerns and views. Where else can one do that nowadays? Something is better than nothing.

Posted by: HeatherW Mar 3 2015, 07:31 PM

Nothing changes because people don't change. If we want change we need fresh blood in Newbury and the WBC abolished and replaced with humans (as opposed to humanoid drones).

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 3 2015, 07:35 PM

No-one is stopping anyone from posting on here. ( Unless even if they break the rules!)

Posted by: Spider Mar 3 2015, 07:39 PM

I agree, nevertheless some people just want to be drama queens and blame everybody else part from themselves. I imagine Danyboy is a moaner and rather just blame everybody else. Forums are there for people to voice their concerns and stand up for what they believe.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 3 2015, 07:53 PM

Fora have become less popular with the growth of social networking sites.

Posted by: dannyboy Mar 3 2015, 08:00 PM

Right on Queue. Soooooo boring.

Posted by: dannyboy Mar 3 2015, 08:05 PM

me moan? never.

This isn't a forum. it is a place where you can come & moan about something ( preferably the local councils ) and wait for the handful of other forum members to come & give you three bravos & good slap on the back as everyone self congratulates & thinks what a clever bunch they are.

Should you ( as Jeff G did on the monumenatlly important car park sign thread - GMR will be dining out for months on that scoop ) say actually I think it was just a case of someone forgetting to change a sign, then god help you.

There is no room for debate, or discussion. You either toe the line or be derided. This is why the forum is as moribund as the local market ( to quote an oft used line ).

Rant over, I'm off to the pub.

Posted by: Simon Kirby Mar 3 2015, 08:16 PM

Posted by: Cognosco Mar 3 2015, 08:19 PM

Wot not inviting me and the other five to buy us a pint while we put you to rights about your beloved Council?

Posted by: On the edge Mar 3 2015, 11:00 PM

You are probably spot on Dannyboy, someone did probably forget to change the sign, simple as that. Indeed, that's why Jeff said it was simply incompetence rather than conspiracy. He wasn't the only one, I agreed - but pointed out that incompetence wasn't a particularly happy descriptor either. Particularly as it wasn't the first signage error. To me, the real issue was illustrated by the Council's high handed response - a little humility and this thread would have collapsed. Nothing wrong with you supporting or at least trying to defend the Council, but they hardly help themselves do they?

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 3 2015, 11:46 PM

There's some truth to your opinion, but I think it is as biased as those you deride. The bit of grief JeffG got was a response to his own hyperbole. He too made claims that were opinion being touted as fact.

As for you, you rarely post anything that I could view as a genuine attempt at a debate. Your posting method lends me to think that you wish little more than to mock and disrupt threads.

People with well reasoned argument have little problem promoting their views here. It it those with tenuous and insincere messages that tend to get flack. Even amongst 'ourselves' we can disagree; we are not completely partisan.

Posted by: dannyboy Mar 4 2015, 08:50 AM

I'll agree to that. Only because any attempt at a real discussion is futile.

Posted by: On the edge Mar 4 2015, 10:35 AM

Or perhaps because you've never even tried.

Posted by: dannyboy Mar 4 2015, 10:36 AM

see what I mean.


see you all in 12 ( or is that 18 ) months.....

Posted by: dannyboy Mar 4 2015, 10:41 AM

err, which is what everyone does on here. His opinion was that it was a mistake. For which he was accused of being a council lackey for having that opinion.

Yet the far more risible claim that the council put the sign up knowingly was accepted as much more likely because coucils do that kind of thing.

Posted by: On the edge Mar 4 2015, 01:01 PM

Yes, can see exactly where you are coming from. I agree with your wise words.

(Does that help?)

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 4 2015, 02:15 PM

He used language that went beyond that and people replied in kind. He; however, threw his rattle out of the pram first, as you appear to be doing (other than your plan B which is clearly to disrupt the thread).

The sign was wilfully put up. In my view the people responsible for signage are incompetent or the sign was deliberately left ambiguous; which isn't a silly idea if they felt they couldn't be bothered to set a reminder in MS Outlook to go and take the thing down. To then continue to accept revenue from fines knowing that the sign was ambiguous means it is deliberate.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 4 2015, 02:20 PM

I think you might be overlooking any possible irony in what people post. I doubt regular posters here think he is a council lackey, even if they think that some of his opinions are like that of one.

Posted by: Cognosco Mar 4 2015, 04:30 PM

I think you make it clear that you find it a minor, laughable, trivial matter that people have been made to pay a parking penalty for no other reason than our Local Authority were unable to erect signage that was clear and unambiguous and even though it was at least six months out of date and they knew this they still issued penalties?
I agree if this had been the first problem with signage that had led to penalties being issued and they had issued refunds where applicable then yes, you would be correct that a mistake had been made recompense given and all sorted. But as usual the attitude again from our Local Authority is a baffled I don't know what all the fuss is about, even though it has made national as well as local media, they are unable to accept they are in error and not even a grudging sorry as usual!

Yet you wonder why it is necessary to take them to task so often?

Do the job they are employed, and well paid, to do correctly and perhaps they could expect some praise for a change!

Posted by: user23 Mar 4 2015, 08:37 PM

I think you're taking it all too seriously.

It's just a bit of fun, with a small number of people throwing a load of conspiracy theories around, under various pseudonyms.

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 4 2015, 09:23 PM

Now you see this is where it all goes wrong.
The council does not take people's genuine concerns seriously??
"Oh it's just a small number of people who don't matter throwing around silly conspiracy theories."
"Don't worry, they are just having a bit of fun. They still HAVE to pay their taxes!!"
"Just ignore them"

Posted by: The Hatter Mar 5 2015, 02:15 PM

not much point in complaining officially if you just get your head bitten off.

Posted by: GMR Mar 5 2015, 05:15 PM

That is all you've been doing since you've come back. What you could have done is created a sensible debate.



'Moaning,' 'debating' or whatever you want to call it; what is wrong with that? That is what forums are for. As the saying goes; 'what is one man's meat is another man's poison.





I wish.





If that was the case then it shows incompetence and a lack of organisation. I would rather believe that it was deliberate, as it shows organisation and intelligence behind their goal. Incompetence is a lot worse. Where else have they made 'mistakes,' as you call it? I think the citizens of Newbury should be very concerned if they can so easily make such mistakes (mistakes, I might add, that has cost the fair (fare) paying public dearly. However, one problem with your theory; it was reported, not only by phone but also to traffic wardens. So do you still call it a 'mistake'?





That is your point of view, not shared by everyone on here. I think you need to revaluate your comments.

Posted by: GMR Mar 5 2015, 05:18 PM

And this is from somebody who works for WBC.






Really? Who? Or do you know this as a fact because you are one of those writing under a different name? When writing under a different name do you attack WBC or us your other pseudonym as another defender of WBC?

Posted by: GMR Mar 5 2015, 05:20 PM

Spot on.

Posted by: JaneGibbs Mar 5 2015, 07:31 PM

I haven't been on here for awhile, not because of the reason that have been made (stifling of debate or no debates) but not enough new people joining in. I do think a Newbury forum is an important thing and I congratulate Newbury News for giving us one. Maybe NewburyNews could advertise this forum a bit more. I've never seen an advertisement in their paper for this forum. Maybe it should be opened up to other important issues, not just Newbury.

Posted by: On the edge Mar 5 2015, 08:45 PM

Welcome back! That wouldn't be a bad idea.

Posted by: GMR Mar 6 2015, 04:46 PM

Why haven't you been on for awhile? But I do agree that they should make this forum more interesting by having other sections that can look outside Newbury/ Berkshire.