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Posted by: motormad Oct 16 2012, 02:37 PM

Hi all.
Your old friend xjay here.
Hope everyone is going well. I do read these forums still.. haha. It's funny at times. Glad the meet seemed to make it a more pleasant place.
I have a valid rant for today.


My car was keyed very deeply by some ****.

No idea who or why. dunno if it was targetted or random. I was parked on the drive at my Mothers' house as I was in the middle of a house move from my old house, to a new place with my better half. My Mother's house is in a good area, down a cul-de-sac which is in a quite estate.
I fortunately have spare money to get this repaired but that money was budgeted for a new set of wheels (1st world problems) but it was a very bad time in terms of stress due to the house move and only having recently started a new job as well.

Pics as below.

The whole bonnet needs respraying as does the front wing and both doors.








I think it's a shambles that I am now worried about my car and where I park it, and whether it was a one-off act of vandalism or a sort of act against me.
The cost to repair is £450 (and even that is mates-rates), at full whack this would be around £600-£700. Basically the bonnet needs a full respray as does the front wing, rear passenger door and blending with the drivers door, bumper and the front wing on the opposite side of the car.

I am now concerned that yet more vandalism is to come after getting the paint repaired. My car is a show car (albiet used daily) and is a very large part of my life and takes a big chunk of my disposable income, and is a large part of my memories in terms of going places.
To the parents out there it's comparable to your child and how would you like it, if someone randomly came up to your child and punched them (really hard) in the face?

I would love to know who did it and more importantly why. Think it's funny? Well you can pay the bill.

Posted by: Penelope Oct 16 2012, 02:49 PM

Looks like the sort of damage our resident troll advocated. I don't understand what kind of mental midget does this kind of thing.

Posted by: GMR Oct 16 2012, 04:36 PM

I've also got a grey car and it was also keyed a couple of months ago. I've only got one long key mark on the door.

Posted by: Biker1 Oct 16 2012, 05:26 PM

I've got a bronze coloured car which has got various dents & scratches on the side from ignorant morons who park next to it and don't give a dam what damage they do when they fling open their car door!
(Cracks me up the way this software edits out dam n as such an awful word that we are not allowed to see it! )

Posted by: On the edge Oct 16 2012, 05:59 PM

I can understand someone having the wheels away - at least some cash is involved. This is just wanton damage - no purpose whatsoever. Hasn't there been a few stories recently where its middle aged people with a spiteful and nasty nature that do this - just to vent feelings? Not quite sure how we'd catch the culprits, but in my book deserve rather more than the new 'community courts' recently announced in Greenham!

Posted by: x2lls Oct 16 2012, 06:53 PM

It's a sickening thing to happen to you when it does.

You have my sympathy for being the victim of retards.

I've also suffered it, three times in a year on the same car. Two idiots on bikes killed the mirrors. A **** who thought it great to jump over , ruining the bonnet, roof and boot lid.
It was parked on the road at the time. We've since changed our front garden into a car park, which really upset me. Even then, it got 'egged' , including our front windows.

I now use webcams to monitor the vehicle. The software is free and can email, is online etc etc. It won't stop the problem, but it will help catch the ********.

Posted by: Strafin Oct 16 2012, 07:19 PM

Have you upset someone? You or your driving.....

Posted by: x2lls Oct 16 2012, 07:27 PM

Even if so, it would be unconnected.

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 16 2012, 07:28 PM

Would you put the links up for what you used?

Posted by: motormad Oct 16 2012, 07:36 PM

No Strafin I haven't.
Well, I try not to. I'm sure at times I have but not intentionally. Just like any normal person really.
Either way, regardless of what anyone has done what right or justification does it give them to damage someone baby? The car is always clean (well it's not now as I can't be bothered with it until it's back from paint) and anyone with half a brain can tell it's someone's pride and joy just by looking at it so obviously a lack of respect or common sense at that time and a need for ruining someone else's day at a few minutes of "lols" for themselves.

x2lls it's interesting you say there. Where I live now with some friends we do actually have video recording for the drive-area covering our cars, and I will be adding to this with specialist cameras in the near future to record wireless-ly to my Media Server.
If this happens again I would like to have as much evidence as humanely possible.

On the edge, it wouldn't surprise me if it was someone of a middle aged stature, I tend to think the days of bored kids doing this as being behind us but I wouldn't rule it out.
Ah well.

Posted by: x2lls Oct 16 2012, 07:50 PM

The software I use is Yawcam ( http://www.yawcam.com/ )

There are many out there, but this suits my needs.

Try http://x2lls.dyndns.org:9091

I've just moved the pc to monitor my garden to catch which cat keeps ****ting in my garden. That way I now which fence to chuck it back over!
I haven't tried it, but you can apparently, with a bit of fiddling, have multiple cams per yawcam service.

PM me if you want more details

Posted by: Exhausted Oct 16 2012, 07:53 PM

It's a car, not a child. Cars are repairable, damaged children aren't.

Are you sure the damage was done where you said as none of it appears to be on the driver's side so it could well have been done in a car park and you got in and drove off without noticing.

Posted by: x2lls Oct 16 2012, 08:16 PM

Nice response, you have obviously been coveted and not been subject to vandalism, and by implication call xjay a liar, or at best stupid.

Posted by: GMR Oct 16 2012, 08:16 PM

Only on this forum

Posted by: motormad Oct 16 2012, 08:17 PM

You miss the comparison.
To me, my car is to a parent, their child (If that makes sense)

If you can't understand that then you won't understand.

And yes I am completely sure I know where it happened. I had been moving house and I was loading things in and out of my car all that evening. No marks. I know my car, I know ever little mark and every little imperfection on it and there were categorically no key marks on it on Friday evening when I was moving.
What side does the damage done mean in terms of location??

Posted by: Exhausted Oct 16 2012, 08:23 PM

You miss my point. On the nearside you might not see the damage getting back into your car at Tesco's for instance.

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 16 2012, 08:36 PM

Thank you for that. Others here might find it useful too.

Posted by: motormad Oct 16 2012, 08:45 PM

Okay.


What part of, I had been moving house (so opening and shutting my doors mainly my boot and rear passenger doors (both sides).
No damage!!!!!

It was done when parked at my Mothers house. Unless of course you did it while I was parked at Tescos (interesting to know how as I don't ever go to Tescos lol)

Posted by: blackdog Oct 16 2012, 11:43 PM

No, it doesn't make sense - but I get the idea. But it still doesn't make sense, some parents clearly demonstrate that they don't give a **** about their kids whereas you do seem to care about your car. However, some parents would give their lives to save their child - would you give your life to save your car?

Posted by: motormad Oct 17 2012, 08:06 AM

A good comparison Blackdog.
That's very true, some parents are lacking. Not everyone is capable of being a good parent.

I was hoping to compare to a good parent. :'-)
I would probably defend my car to the death, yes. It is that important to me.
For example the car itself was £4690 when I bought it. I've spent at least 3 times that amount on it. It's a money-no-object item to me.

Although the precise actions I would take depend on whether anyone else (friends, girlfriend etc) was around, as I would behave appropriately for their safety rather than that of the car.
Ah well.

Like I said, I am sort of over it. It's getting fixed by the week end (with crossed fingers) and I also get my alloy wheel back from the refurbishers. So hopefully my little Bobrick will look like new again.
But being honest I would have rather had my 3SDM wheels, rather than a respray (which I did want on the bonnet anyway as the bumper is new, but wanted to do it on my own time!!!)

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 17 2012, 08:54 AM

I think you need a doctor, not a respray!

Posted by: motormad Oct 17 2012, 08:58 AM

A doctor, a man in white coat and spectacles to tell me to put some ice on it?!
Although I do think I have a torn ligament in my ankle so, might be worth a visit.

Let's see what they say after all!

Posted by: Timbo Oct 17 2012, 09:01 AM

I can't believe some people and the fact they have the nerve to do this. That damage is pretty intensive and from the pictures they look like really deep key marks, especially on the bonnet!
Feel very sorry for you mate. I'm sure it'll be looking new again when it's back from the bodyshop. Out of interest would you post up the finish of the results and review the bodyshop you used? I'm looking to have some work done myself.

Posted by: Nothing Much Oct 17 2012, 11:58 AM

Car vandalism is a really horrible act. It costs a lot of stress to fix.

Someone nicked the passenger door handle from an old VW2.
Someone took a screwdriver to the lock of an Audi and nicked the radio back bits.
It cost more to get new locks than the radio.

In a fairly nice area someone went on early morning binges and probably caused about £30,000
worth of damage. It seems that it was a mid 30s woman. dressed as a man, you could tell by the size of shoe!.
Someone set up a cam for his Cayenne. Which I think was featured for a spell on Daily Mail.
Pretty well everyone got keyed. The bigger ones lost wing mirrors. I got passenger side done but not too deep.
ce

Posted by: Baffers100 Oct 17 2012, 12:36 PM

That is awful. I would be absolutely fuming if that happened to my car. I can't belive that people can get to an age as either functional adults or teenagers, and think it's ok to do this to somebody else's property.

My parents had their car on the drive, and over night somebody paid them a visit and scratched the c-bomb on the door. Big 6 inch high letters, right down to base metal. They've now got securirty cameras. Seems mad that we have to resort to these measures!

Have you thought about getting one of those proximity alarms? When I lived in Cardiff there was always a car (and a right heap of a car at that) which had this flashy alarm. Whenever you'd get too close to the vehicle it would tell you to step away, or beep. Might help keep the buggers ar bay?

Posted by: motormad Oct 17 2012, 02:52 PM

NM, I saw that in the news! (the vandal you mentioned and the camera that recorded it!)

Baffers, my car has a silly CANBUS alarm which makes it very hard to tap into. I don't want to have 2 alarm systems to de-activate.
I've actually been into G7 sounds a couple of weeks ago, asking that exact question. Apparently there is a proximity alarm they can wire into the existing alarm (which by itself is very good hence why I don't want it meddled with) and also provide the proximity sensors you mention.
It costs £299, not sure if that was fitting inclusive but I'll be getting that next month (probably, depends on other things as always).

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 17 2012, 03:01 PM

RE: Proximity alarms: careful you don't make yourself new enemies!

Posted by: motormad Oct 17 2012, 04:03 PM

Little confused there Andy. But I'm sure it will help.. Definitely on the to-buy list.

Posted by: On the edge Oct 17 2012, 04:32 PM

Think Andy is warning against the cheap ones; like my neighbour installed. Even set off by the tooth fairy and being a deep sleeper he would keep us all wide awake in the small hours!

Posted by: Turin Machine Oct 17 2012, 04:48 PM

The young uns also find them irresistible.

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 17 2012, 04:59 PM

Yes, alarms are a nuisance for everyone except the owner.

Posted by: spartacus Oct 17 2012, 08:11 PM

Of this 'nearly £15,000' you've squandered on your motor, did you by any chance rip off the standard exhaust and fit something that's capable of waking the dead?
Does your mum (where your car was parked..) live near some psychotic who works night-shifts?

Just a thought.......



Well I agree it's not funny and I won't pay the bill.... but I've got something that might help....

Posted by: motormad Oct 18 2012, 07:52 AM

Andy I believe the alarm in question is a good, quality system so shouldn't provide any issues. I would get it removed if it were giving red-herrings but it would be there to stop..
1) people in car parks brushing up against it
2) nob-heads keying it.
3) cats etc jumping on it.
so unfortunately I have to take measures to protect my pride und joy, ja?

Well, considering I was with the missus, I wasn't out late aside from moving things and even then I wasn't racing about. (home by 9ish each night)
My car does have a non-standard exhaust however it's a diesel. So only really makes a noise when on boost, or when dumping boost, which isn't going to happen in a 150 yard long residential road littered with cars and children. And even then it's not really that loud. (not like a Saxo with a blut blut fart can that's for sure!)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNKRxxt0_aU&t=0m23s

Again my point comes back, if it was disturbing someone (I'm almost certain it wasn't) then what gives them the right to key my car? As opposed to say, knock on the door? Like an adult..........
Whatever I may or may not have done nothing can detract from the fact that whatever sad, immature, thoughtless individual damaged my car vandalised someone else's property, without regard for their actions. And nothing justifys it.


Must have a sense of humor failure as I didn't find that funny at all.

Posted by: Baffers100 Oct 18 2012, 07:54 AM

T-cut won't help if the little g!ts scratched down to the metal though, seeing as it removes a layer of paint...

And considering Xjay is so fond of his car, he's hardly likely to attempt a botched repair job with a touch up pen from Halfrauds.

There's no excuse for this sort of behaviour whether or not a neighbour works nights, or is offended by the volume of his car exhaust. As long as you've a tongue in your mouth and a braincell, you should be able to raise the problem with the person in question like an adult.

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 18 2012, 10:39 AM

I don't believe anyone here is condoning vandalism, I don't; however, people need to be mindful of how their actions (driving aggressively, illegal exhausts, etc) might bring themselves to the attention of others.

Posted by: motormad Oct 18 2012, 12:13 PM

That is true Andy. (and not what I was implying so sorry if that wasn't clear)
Attention brought would be the realm of the police. Through points, warnings, custodial sentances and what not.
Not some **** to scrape a key down the side of your car.

For the record I am not an "aggressive" driver. Rarely (but not never) do I push in, mainly I am the one to back off and let people through/out/merge. mainly I pootle around town going to the shops this past few months, not even part of the "car park crew" these days!
My exhaust is not illegal for the record! Although it did get an advisory on the MOT for "noise".

Basically anyone with an Aston Martin (which sounds much louder and nicer than my car let's be honest) should never drive their car because it "draws attention".
I'm going to sell up and buy a Kia.

Posted by: HeatherW Oct 18 2012, 06:48 PM

My boyfriend got his care dented a couple of weeks ago. He complained to the police but without any evidence they could not do much. Do not people have a conscience?

Posted by: Spider Oct 18 2012, 06:55 PM

Going by previous cases I doubt they would do much if they caught the culprit. My father had damage done to his car many years ago and all the police did was give the vandal a caution. Very unsatisfactory.

Posted by: x2lls Oct 18 2012, 10:29 PM

I think the case of vandalism is justification for the old eye for an eye situation. I would so dearly love to identify the retards who have caused damage to my property. I would then take great delight in completely destroying anything they treasured.

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 19 2012, 10:09 AM

While understandable, I'm not sure vengeance is either effective or ethical.

Posted by: x2lls Oct 19 2012, 11:39 AM

Perhaps not, but it would be extremely satisfying.

Posted by: On the edge Oct 19 2012, 11:41 AM

Must admit, I'm with x2lls on this one. It is pretty effective and certainly a deterrent. As for the ethics; as a society we have become rather lilly livered about effective punishments for all sorts of crime and then wonder why the crime rates have increased.

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 19 2012, 11:49 AM

I would imagine it would, until their 'bigger brother' escalates the issue.


That is statistically untrue; however, the next stop would be mob rule, which brings its own welfare issues.

"A witch! A witch! A witch! We've got a witch! A witch!"
"We have found a witch, might we burn her?"
"Burn her! Burn!"
"How do you know she is a witch?"
"She looks like one."

Posted by: On the edge Oct 19 2012, 12:01 PM

Depends how far back you go in terms of stats. Yes, wholly agree, next step would be mob rule, that's one key reason why punishment has to be seen to be effective by society at large. We often forget that aspect.

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 19 2012, 12:13 PM

According to the British Crime Survey, this is happening. Although I agree that there is always room for improvement and I also think that vandalism should at least be treated as if the cost of the damage was calculated as if one had stolen the equivalent amount in cash.

Posted by: HeatherW Oct 25 2012, 05:02 PM

My boyfriend had his car scratched but no witnesses. What can you do? It is just annoying. Maybe more police on the beat?

Posted by: dannyboy Oct 25 2012, 05:21 PM

more CCTV, more big brother.

Posted by: HeatherW Oct 25 2012, 05:28 PM

No. More police on the beat and more interactiveness from the public then such vandals will think twice.

Posted by: NWNREADER Oct 25 2012, 06:08 PM

Agreed. For many years clever criminologists and senior police officers pontificated that a patrolling officer served little purpose. 10 years after implementation we have a situation where potential offenders know the chances of them getting caught if they do have their bit of sport are almost nil. No chance of a police officer hoving into view, no chance of a doughty resident seeing (let alone being prepared to 'witness') anything, and not serious enough - if they are spoken to - for forensic checks to be done......

Posted by: On the edge Oct 25 2012, 08:16 PM

Quite so. Ironic, again market forces demonstrate the truth of that. Otherwise why do Sainsbury's employ a uniformed security guard - just to look nice?

Posted by: motormad Oct 26 2012, 07:57 AM

Hi Heather,
The best way to prevent this is

1) Proximity alarm on your car (£250 from G7 sounds in The Paddock, down hambridge road).
2) CCTV on your parking area. You can buy an IP recording system for around £120, including a controller for up to 5 or 6 cameras, and a recording device. You can either get wireless (to be honest you'd want a seperate Wireless router for this which patches into a stand-alone server for recording) or wired, in which case you just patch them into a small cheap ethernet switch.

Posted by: dannyboy Oct 26 2012, 09:45 AM

You'd need several hundred to patrol west berks alone......

Posted by: massifheed Oct 26 2012, 10:51 AM

None of that makes much sense. Stop repeating words and phrases that you've overheard other people using.

Posted by: Penelope Oct 26 2012, 11:21 AM

I tried to do something similar I got as far as trying to set up a LAN but couldn't get it to work, I think that when I was unpacking the cables I must have dropped the token ring somewhere, looked all over but never did find it !

Posted by: massifheed Oct 26 2012, 11:24 AM

Posted by: motormad Oct 26 2012, 11:45 AM

If you're not careful I'll shove a packet so far up your edge port you'll forget what VLAN you are in.
FYI it makes perfect sense as if you want to preserve quality of your regular home wireless network (if recording wireless-ly) you'd want to seperate your surveillance WLAN traffic to a different access point (in this case a home router) using a channel which does not overlap with that of your regular home network (eg 1,6 or 11). As the constant streaming of video (imagine streaming youtube in RAW HD constantly) would cause slowdowns and could result in poor video quality at a moment when you need it's shiney goodness along with perhaps affecting your regular internet experience.

Posted by: massifheed Oct 26 2012, 02:13 PM

No, it doesn't. So long as you have a fairly modern router it should cope fine with high amounts of network traffic. I stream a lot of HD stuff from Netflix at the same time as other people in the house are doing other stuff and I've never had a problem. Recording CCTV images across a network is no different - it's just data.

You may start running into problems if you are trying to record HD video at 30fps constantly, 24/7, but the problems you are likely to face are going to come from running out of disk space before anything else. Constant CCTV recording is always going to be a compromise, you can either record a high amount of frames per second at a relatively low resolution, or you record HD but have to drop the rate at which you capture frames.

Posted by: x2lls Oct 26 2012, 03:09 PM

Or record based on events, not streaming.

Posted by: motormad Oct 26 2012, 03:13 PM

You'd be surprised how crappy most home routers are.
Considering most people have at least 2 devices (a computer and a mobile phone).
Assume that in a house of 3 people, 2 adults and 1 child there are the following devices (at best)

Family computer
Child's own laptop
Daddys phone
Mummys phone
Childs Xbox 360/Ps3 or whatever
Childs Phone

Now assuming that you are given an N-rated router to around 128Mb. (not a true N router but what they are allowed to market as such). They are cheap and tacky and not technologically clever at all.
As soon as a non-N device joins a network (iPhone 4 for example...only supports 2.4Ghz not the true dual-banding with 5Ghz) or a B/G only laptop your homenetwork speed drops to 54mpbs for EVERYTHING. (you're bright enough to figure out what b or B i mean).
Basically the slowest device on your wireless network will dictate the speed.

Even when just on the network devices are still developing traffic. And due to the overheads fo the 802.11 structure you can't ever get 54mbps. You'd get around 35. From one device on your network. As soon as you add another device on that speed halfs, and so on and so on.

Realistically you'd get about 10 devices on your network before you had serious issues. Thats for web and email. If you get 2 of them or more doing video, voice or a similar latency intensive application you would notice! If you've ever been sharing a network with people who are playing online games or Skyping then you'd understand the problem.

Massifheed, you'd record a high quality video but what I would recommend is a rolling 3, 5 or 7 day "loop" where you can access anything recorded in the last 3, 5 or 7 days.
You can then either automatically over-write this (if nothing has happened) or transfer the files to another location (if something else had)
Would take about 500Gb of space for 7 days high quality (HD) video and a 500 GB hard drive can be bought for £40 or so.

Posted by: NWNREADER Oct 26 2012, 05:37 PM

Not so - just 'some' so that chancers think twice.

Posted by: dannyboy Oct 26 2012, 05:45 PM

yeah, they'd think 'those coppers have been down this raod & so won't be back for hours.....'

Posted by: HeatherW Oct 26 2012, 07:38 PM

No. The public need to feel safe and police on the beat can do that.

Posted by: HeatherW Oct 26 2012, 07:39 PM

I am glad somebody agrees with me. You are right.

Posted by: NWNREADER Oct 26 2012, 07:57 PM

That is usually a wrong assumption. Those doing mindless damage tend to act on the spur of the moment.

http://static.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1343959716101_5279432.png

Posted by: On the edge Oct 26 2012, 09:24 PM

Camera only covers that bit so won't get caught at all down here....

Posted by: Spider Oct 28 2012, 04:48 PM

Not only that but I am sure the vandals are aware where the cameras are and target what they wish to vandalize where there is no camera. At least with the police on control they can be surprised by a policeman on the beat or a police patrol car driving around.

Posted by: HeatherW Oct 28 2012, 05:07 PM

That is what I have been saying spider. You cannot beat seeing police on patrol. There is a feel save about seeing our boys in blue walking or driving around.

Posted by: On the edge Oct 28 2012, 05:20 PM

Quite so, it comes down to those managing these services claiming to know better than the rest of us mere mortals. The Police aren't actually there to catch criminals; their oath is to keep the peace. That means making the rest of us think they are.

An example, the Anti Aircraft Batteries in the last war weren't particularly effective - so were removed from many places However, when Churchill took over he ordered them back - because the noise gave the general public hope and confidence that we were fighting back.

It may well be street theatre, but it was effective at keeping petty crime down at least.

Posted by: NWNREADER Oct 28 2012, 07:17 PM

That is so with many things - smoke and mirrors.

The management level you refer to is Home Office/Government, where millions is spent developing methodologies that do not survive first contact with the enemy but give the impression of being The Second Coming. Often the proposal involves setting up a new organisation to undertake a role, trumpeted first as a 'saving', with the replacement also trumpeted as a 'major new development' in service. It happens all the time.

Posted by: On the edge Oct 28 2012, 07:46 PM

As ever!

Posted by: JaneGibbs Oct 28 2012, 08:28 PM

I don't know why people going in for senseless acts of vandalism. There must be something wrong with people today.

Posted by: Spider Oct 28 2012, 08:46 PM

There are a lot of sad people out there. Maybe stronger sentences when court might stop them?

Posted by: Exhausted Oct 28 2012, 09:46 PM

That's an interesting post. Do you think that it is something new and that it is today's people that have something wroong with them. I guess vandalism didn't happen in your day.


When they get to court or when they are caught. Same thing I suppose.

Posted by: NWNREADER Oct 28 2012, 10:43 PM

Interesting point about 'stiffer sentences when caught'. On the one hand successive Governments have introduced offences and set out sentences for offenders on conviction, usually presented as a strong response to 'the damage the offenders do'. On the other hand there is guidance to the Police/CPS on how to deal with offenders without them going to Court at all, and Sentencing Guidelines that make clear those 'stiff sentences' should not be imposed. There is also the pressure to reduce the numbers in prison, increase community sentences etc.
If there is no personal responsibility, no fear of getting caught, no fear of the consequence, then there is no deterrent value whatsoever. So those who are so minded - on impulse or more generally - go about there disruptive business.

Posted by: On the edge Oct 29 2012, 07:46 AM

Just about sums up Ken Clarke's vision for criminal justice. The whole sector is full of technical college sociologists whose demonstrable incompetence over the past couple of decades is beyond belief. Just a silly example, someone I know in education wanted an outside area put to rights - the people who managed community service orders said it was an ideal job for them. Then, nothing! Frustrated enquires revealed the issue - the offenders simply don't turn up. Probation Officers response said it all, 'I'm only following the process - if you want to complain, go to your MP'.

Down to direction and management again. Must admit, I thought coalition were going to sort this - Tories are the party of law and order etc. OK, I'll keep on with the pills!

Posted by: Spider Oct 29 2012, 08:22 PM

We've always had vandalism but I feel that over the last 30 years it has got worse. My dad said it was always about but it is more prominent now.

Posted by: GMR Oct 29 2012, 08:34 PM

I doubt all today's people have everything right about them. If there was there would be no vandalism and other such crimes.

Posted by: x2lls Oct 29 2012, 10:17 PM

It's probably down to when we were kids, WE didn't have to pay for it then, our parents did.
Now, as adults we do. Which may also explain why the perpetrators are usually youngsters with no financial responsibility.

And THAT, fits nicely with previous comment saying I would love to destroy something that meant a lot to them!

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 29 2012, 11:10 PM

I think in the last 30 years we have become more materialistic and have more things that are precious (our own homes, newer cars), and therefore more vulnerable to the effects of vandalism. I very much doubt vandalism has become more common, 'just' more expensive.

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 29 2012, 11:11 PM

And therefore by definition, behaving like a child.

Posted by: x2lls Oct 30 2012, 10:55 AM

Elaborate

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 30 2012, 01:15 PM

Seeing as you asked so nicely; vandals are generally children (or young adults), so 'love' smashing things that mean a lot to someone else is like the behaviour of a child (or a childish youth).

Posted by: x2lls Oct 30 2012, 02:06 PM

I agree.

Posted by: motormad Oct 31 2012, 11:35 AM

Well, I wish they wouldn't.
Paint's all sorted now, by the way.